Pond Boss Forums INTRO Questions & Observations Glyposate less toxic than

Sodium bicarbonate and salt according to the chart in this link.

Just as I suspected the WHO has overrated the danger just as in mercury in fish.

https://gmoanswers.com/studies/iarc-classification-glyphosate?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc

Folks may find the paper at this link helpful for context. Even water is toxic at high enough levels.

http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7777.full.pdf

Your going to get the EPA types stirred up with that article.

Whoops!

What criticism of glyphosate from the EPA do you think is off base?

EPA types meaning those folks who care about the environment, have lived in the woods and about the land their entire life instead of transplanting there by choice in recent years, enjoy hunting, trapping, and fishing, can identify plants that are edible vs. those that most certainly are not, can walk up behind you and tap you on the shoulder before you're aware that you're not alone in those woods, and want nothing more than to be able to drink clean water and breathe clean air, and are doing their best to provide for their families by working with their hands and their backs everyday?

Those types are aware that what they do on their own land may indeed affect the properties around, and downstream from their own. And that matters to them, because they were raised believing that it's about more than just themselves. They were taught to appreciate, to respect, and to care about the environment..."take care of it, and it will take care of you."

To those types, being a good steward of the environment is more than just a statement tossed around on a forum. It's not something they do only when it's convenient, or easy, or just when it doesn't interfere with what they WANT to do. It means something.

Silly EPA types.

What I always wonder is while the immediate toxicity of Glyphosphate may be low, what do the plants produce upon dying?

It is being noticed by some bee-keepers that their bees seem to be getting sick in correlation with roadside glyphoshpate applications. Perhaps when the plants are in their death throws, they produce toxins to try and fend off an external threat like some will do upon an insect attack, and this reaction is the real threat?

Just an observation, no grounds in actual science or studies. Just thought for discussion.

I wasn't aware the EPA was even mentioned in the link I posted. Maybe I missed it?

The ‘GMO Answers’ website is a product of Monsanto, Dow, and DuPont, among other biotech industries, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/gmo-answers-website_n_3671483.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMO_Answers

http://www.truthwiki.org/gmo-answers-biotechnology-website-gmoanswers-com/

EPA was not mentioned in what I read from Cecil. Many who read comments and reports from agencies lump all of it into EPA who is basically a regulatory agency. Drinking too much good quality or even distilled water each day can kill you. It is up to each person to make the decisions of what to eat and how to live.

Pond Boss is a product of those with a financial interest in ponds. Should we take it with a grain of salt?

Good point but when a company spends thousands of dollars to get their product tested by an independent lab so they can legally use it, you can't just ignore that.

Of course they will defend their product. Would you expect them not too?

Everybody wants to knock technology but if we had to go back to the horse and buggy days they wouldn't want to do it.

I was merely pointing out where the website originated from. Place what stock in it you will.

This one is getting close guys !

I do. I sincerely mean no offense, it's just that I don't believe in absolutes, or the final word. Speaking for myself, I make mistakes, I make corrections, and I continue to learn. Nothing is set in stone. What is accepted practice today may be deemed ridiculous by tomorrow's standards. And that includes ponds and pond management.

Yesterday we all knew that HSB had no place in a pond setting. Today, we know better. Today, we advise that crappie are a poor choice for small ponds. Tomorrow, we may well be recommending them as routine practice. No absolutes. Always look at both sides, and never take an answer at face value without asking to see how they did the math.

Get a second opinion, do more research, ask more questions.

Just a friendly give and take among those that use the product. The WHO rates working the night shift and art glass as equally carcinogenic.

What happens to those who work the night shift at the art glass factory???

What is the difference (define)between a conservationist and an environmentalist ? See sprks posts page 1 and above and work from there. This is a concepts test and one for thought.

I always considered enviro's to be a more radical incarnation of conservs'.

Guy's, I respect your right to publicly voice any opinions on anything. But to continue to cuss and discuss any topic that has no resolution seems silly to me. To me, these last few months don't represent the still great forum I chose to join, nor is it representative of the forum that I choose to annually contribute too.

Basically, I'm tired of this chit. Somebody text me when we get back to fish, family, and fun.

Later, Al

So Al...how are your Tilapia doing?

What cussing?

The truth be known I thought this could be an interesting discussion as we've been hearing how bad glyphosates are supposed to be. I'm sorry if it offended anyone.

Wrong Spark - The Enviro's were a series of cameras and cam corders launched by JVC a while back. I have one and if you can get this dialed in, which I think it takes an 8 year degree, it's rather stunning on video, audio and pictures, but too complicated for me. Give me a one shot Kodak or my cell phone.

I'm tired of mixing chemicals to spray fence lines several times a year. Spent 3 hours today with a crew cutting and spraying the fences.

The glyposate we get now seems less effective....doesn't last but a month or two regardless of the advertising.

If it wouldn't corrode my pipe fences I would use NaCl instead of glyposate. NaCl will stop growth for a decade or two.....and its all natural.

Glyphosate only kills what it hits. It has no significant residual in soil.