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Applying what I've learned from PB in order to help solve everyday issues.

Problem: Ice cubes piping at the surface of this BOS. (Body of Soda)



Analysis: Upon sampling the BOS, I have discovered a layer of intensely flavored cherry syrup languishing near bottom of the soda column...short answer - the BOS is stratified, forcing the ice cubes to rise up to the surface.

Hypothesis: a thorough mixing of the soda column is needed immediately. My solution is bottom diffused aeration.

Installing proper aeration equipment:


Initiating airflow to induce mixing of the soda column:


The same BOS, now showing traces of the cherry syrup layer mixed throughout the entire soda column. Unfortunately, in my haste to correct the soda imbalance I did not utilize the correct aeration start-up procedure, and turned the entire BOS far too rapidly resulting in a cube kill - note that the cubes are floating belly up.


However, thanks to PB, I know where to go from here: Drain, refill, and begin anew.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Applying what I've learned from PB in order to help solve everyday issues.

Problem: Ice cubes piping at the surface of this BOS. (Body of Soda)



Analysis: Upon sampling the BOS, I have discovered a layer of intensely flavored cherry syrup languishing near bottom of the soda column...short answer - the BOS is stratified, forcing the ice cubes to rise up to the surface.

Hypothesis: a thorough mixing of the soda column is needed immediately. My solution is bottom diffused aeration.

Installing proper aeration equipment:


Initiating airflow to induce mixing of the soda column:


The same BOS, now showing traces of the cherry syrup layer mixed throughout the entire soda column. Unfortunately, in my haste to correct the soda imbalance I did not utilize the correct aeration start-up procedure, and turned the entire BOS far too rapidly resulting in a cube kill - note that the cubes are floating belly up.


However, thanks to PB, I know where to go from here: Drain, refill, and begin anew.








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It seems that the airline is more than adequately sized, but the diffuser needs some work, and can you furnish cfm/psi numbers for the compressor?


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Unsure of the compressor specs, but it's becoming apparent that it labors under load a little more with each passing year.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Uh oh. It sounds like it will need rebuilding soon. Have you changed the filters lately?


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What about the risk of loss of dissolved CO2 upon aeration start-up?

How does the viscosity of the cherry syrup contribute to the stratification, and how is this affected by the temperature of the near-freezing soda? In other words, how does your aeration plan change depending on whether the water is warm or cold?

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I would suggest a stress test to determine current compressor capability, but the risk of a gasket failure might be too high. Do we have a backup to put in place quickly?

Just measured a similar compressor system here. Was at 23 cfm peak. but min psi.

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Originally Posted By: Sprkplg
Unfortunately, in my haste to correct the soda imbalance I did not utilize the correct aeration start-up procedure, and turned the entire BOS far too rapidly resulting in a cube kill - note that the cubes are floating belly up.
I would like to offer an alternate hypothesis to explain this rapid and untimely demise.

While it is certainly possible than an anoxic episode was responsible for this event, the species under study is known to be much more sensative to fluctuations in TEMPERATURE rather than to oxygen concentrations or even toxins such as hydrogen sulfide. Therefore, the sudden introduction of a large mass of superheated air, especially though an improperly sized delivery vehicle, could have warmed the fluid beyond it's inhabitants ability to compensate, resulting in rapid and irreversible damage and death.

One might argue that there is little evidence to support either hypothesis without data from autopsy. However, if one recalls the nature of the compressor, and the typically elevated temperature of its discharges, a very sound case can be made for this theory.

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Originally Posted By: Bocomo
What about the risk of loss of dissolved CO2 upon aeration start-up?

How does the viscosity of the cherry syrup contribute to the stratification, and how is this affected by the temperature of the near-freezing soda? In other words, how does your aeration plan change depending on whether the water is warm or cold?


A valid concern, as the compressor's intake is located in very close proximity to the exhaust. Indeed, the off-gassing of CO2 upon beginning the aeration caused the compressor to sputter and cough, very nearly filling the intake with cherry soda. Some sort of backflow preventer may be in order.



Warm soda? I'm not sure how to respond to that.





"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Originally Posted By: DNickolaus
I would suggest a stress test to determine current compressor capability, but the risk of a gasket failure might be too high. Do we have a backup to put in place quickly?

Just measured a similar compressor system here. Was at 23 cfm peak. but min psi.


Indeed, the compressor might well suffer some sort of mechanical failure. Repairs are prohibitively expensive, and often require a specialist to diagnose each sub-assembly. Complicated, apparently.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Originally Posted By: Yolk Sac
Originally Posted By: Sprkplg
Unfortunately, in my haste to correct the soda imbalance I did not utilize the correct aeration start-up procedure, and turned the entire BOS far too rapidly resulting in a cube kill - note that the cubes are floating belly up.
I would like to offer an alternate hypothesis to explain this rapid and untimely demise.

While it is certainly possible than an anoxic episode was responsible for this event, the species under study is known to be much more sensative to fluctuations in TEMPERATURE rather than to oxygen concentrations or even toxins such as hydrogen sulfide. Therefore, the sudden introduction of a large mass of superheated air, especially though an improperly sized delivery vehicle, could have warmed the fluid beyond it's inhabitants ability to compensate, resulting in rapid and irreversible damage and death.

One might argue that there is little evidence to support either hypothesis without data from autopsy. However, if one recalls the nature of the compressor, and the typically elevated temperature of its discharges, a very sound case can be made for this theory.


I wish you had weighed in earlier Yolk, before rigor mortis clamped it's frozen fingers around the inhabitants crystalline corpses. So you think a compressor issue is the cause of death? Strange, I never made the connection.

But you agree that the inhabitants have expired?

Very reassuring. Vindication via the viceroy of vitellus...excellent.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Sometimes the most obvious answers are right in front of our noses, Sparkie.

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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Originally Posted By: DNickolaus
I would suggest a stress test to determine current compressor capability, but the risk of a gasket failure might be too high. Do we have a backup to put in place quickly?

Just measured a similar compressor system here. Was at 23 cfm peak. but min psi.


Indeed, the compressor might well suffer some sort of mechanical failure. Repairs are prohibitively expensive, and often require a specialist to diagnose each sub-assembly. Complicated, apparently.


Yes, I believe it is more compicated than realized. Akin to changing the rings on an internal combustion motor while it is still running.....


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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Originally Posted By: DNickolaus
I would suggest a stress test to determine current compressor capability, but the risk of a gasket failure might be too high. Do we have a backup to put in place quickly?

Just measured a similar compressor system here. Was at 23 cfm peak. but min psi.


Indeed, the compressor might well suffer some sort of mechanical failure. Repairs are prohibitively expensive, and often require a specialist to diagnose each sub-assembly. Complicated, apparently.


Forget temperature and aeration. No, the true killer is obvious: pH shock. The icefish were probably used to neutral levels, around 7 pH. When the dark liquids of this BOS inundated them, they were suddenly thrust into an environment full of phosphoric and carbonic acids, with an estimated pH of between 2.5 and 4.2.

Small wonder they went belly up!


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Here at B&B farms, we're always on the lookout for great tasting, healthy snacks. With the fall season in full swing, we decided to turn our hybridization talents towards developing a new twist on that old favorite, the crisp, autumn apple.

I'm pleased to say our efforts have yielded fruit, no pun intended, on our very first attempt. One part apple, one part tetraodontiforme, we proudly present the FujiFugu. Half the calories, twice the protein, all the nail-biting suspense during and after consumption.



"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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