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esshup #460876 12/24/16 09:23 AM
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I don't know if the camera would have picked up the deer in the background if the turkeys weren't there. I think I counted around 20 deer that walked past the camera in the 4 pictures that I have.



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Very nice wildlife pic!

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Dang Scott, is that on yer place?


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That would make a GREAT Christmas card!


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Nice ones, the second pic I would say is a 3.5 yr old maybe going on 4, hard to say for sure from a frontal pic. Based on where his neck meets his brisket. And the first pic, I would guess 4.5 yr old, maybe a little older. Like fine wine, they will get better with age smile


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They are young deer, maybe even 2.5 year-old's, but surely not 4.5 year-old's IMO. I have been building good genetics through harsh management. Look at the small bases. I am a lucky guy. Lots of habitat and doe hunting are paying off.

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You know your deer better than I do, nice ones for sure and I did not mean to offend. Guessing age from few pics is not so easy. I agree they lack mass. But they should get there if food water and cover is around and if your neighbors are not hunters or shooters of anything that walks. We also work on habitat for deer at our place and we are lucky to have a 9,000 acre National wildlife Refuge across the road from us, where the deer have been managed by the TP&Wildlife since 1943. In 1943 and again in 1961 the TP&W brought the deer in from Northern states, Wisconsin and Michigan and another I can't remember which other state right now, anyway they brought in these deer and managed the herd up to 2008. it's a very interesting story and is available for reading on the web. Like I said we are lucky. Our property is too small to control genetics, but we reap the benefits of the state biologists for the past 70+ years.

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Nothing to be offended about. Most folks are proud to have older deer around. I often thought some of my smaller deer were older, but I now have watched quite a few grow over the years. Without a proper aging, we both are guessing though. Folks say my place is too small to influence the herd much, but I think most folks base that on acres rather than the percent of the habitat that resides on those acres. Most (but not all) land around me is in field crops. Some neighbors are on board with trophy hunting, but others call themselves meat hunters. When they intentionally shoot small bucks rather than does to fill their freezers, I call them poor hunters. We have have a lot of does. That said, I continue to shoot some buttons that I thought were does, so I need to keep learning. I do love deer hunting!

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Around here we have to many bucks. We have had one buck in the last two years that was rutted out hard. I wonder if they suffer from tuff guy syndrome and they think they are bigger than they are. One this year was so stressed out that he had lost both antlers in December. One looked like it was gone for just a few weeks. The boy thought it was a nice doe and after he took it and we walked up I could not believe my eyes. I have never seen that before. My first thoughts were that he may have been hit by a car. I guess over stressed over populated buck heard this can happen.

This buck when the boy shot him was crawling like a cat. The most crazy thing I had ever seen hunting deer.


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If one hunts does, he or she will take buttons by mistake, "it Happens". For me, I know I can not influence genetics at my place, but I can provide food, cover and water. I have no field crops around me, but a lot of native browse. The primary food of deer in Texas. So I plant year round wildlife food plots (about 15 acres total in small 1 to 2 acre plots) to attract and hold deer on the property. Plus I get a real pleasure out of it too. We don't hunt the food plots and we have close to 80 acres we almost never go into for sanctuary. I sat on a hill top awhile back, overlooking a wheat food plot next to the pond. I watched an older 8 pt buck with a wide rack and mass, maybe a 165 class buck, as he feed in the plot. I also watched and counted 59 ducks from several different flights and types land in the pond. Now, I built the pond and I built the food plot and I can say for me, it does not get any better than that. Now to grow some nice fish to catch from the pond is next smile

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Nothing to be offended about. Most folks are proud to have older deer around. I often thought some of my smaller deer were older, but I now have watched quite a few grow over the years. Without a proper aging, we both are guessing though. Folks say my place is too small to influence the herd much, but I think most folks base that on acres rather than the percent of the habitat that resides on those acres. Most (but not all) land around me is in field crops. Some neighbors are on board with trophy hunting, but others call themselves meat hunters. When they intentionally shoot small bucks rather than does to fill their freezers, I call them poor hunters. We have have a lot of does. That said, I continue to shoot some buttons that I thought were does, so I need to keep learning. I do love deer hunting!
Opps! I ment to respond to Dono comments, sorry Rah. Dono those old bucks will crawl and everything else to avoid us. Those old ones are wise and hard to come by. I wish he would have had his antlers for your sons reward

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It is not uncommon for bucks to die during and after the rut due to the stress. That selects for the most fit animals and is part of the process that is used to get trophy deer. When 8 pts get over 145" around here, they are real trophies. I have gotten close.

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Our goals may not be achievable when it comes to the deer but we try this and hope it works out. Does will push off the fawn bucks from our property, it's what they do. And so if we can hold young bucks that have been pushed from other properties, that is what we attempt to do. If we can make that little buck feel at home, he will make our property his core area and will live there 85% of the year and more as he gets real old. He will have plenty of food and that grows nice bucks. And as he matures into his 4 or 5th yr he becomes a contender or maybe not, "it depends"


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We have attempted to make a mosaic of bedding/thicket area so that multiple dominant bucks will hold up in our place. In our area, food is not a limiting factor. The tall grass and evergreen thickets are most effective after leaf drop. We never go in the designated bedding areas. The coyotes have not gotten the memo though:) So far, the herd seems to be improving, but maybe I am better at finding them after all these years. Its all fun!

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Dang Scott, is that on yer place?


Bob, no, at a clients that I have permission to hunt. 12 miles from here.


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Nice deer RAH! How are you liking that Reconyx?


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A lot better than less expensive cameras that soon become paper weights! Simple to operate, easy on batteries, and does exactly what it is supposed to do.

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Trail cams are a crap shoot. With the exception of Reconyx($$$$) I have been disappointed with most of them. I think that the Cuddebaks are a little more dependable than most. The Moultrie A5 is junk.

I recently bought 2 Browning Dark Ops. They have no night time flash. The daytime pics are great. However, I did a walk test at night. From 15 ft I didn't recognize myself.


I have two Reconyx cameras and they are top drawer. Another camera I have and have become a huge fan of is the GoCam from Spartan. I have run it three years, the Verizon version and it is excellent, great quality and I love the email pictures.

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I have had pretty good luck with Bushnell and have 4 running 24/7/365.

Just bought 2 more that came in yesterday.


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I have a Cuddeback that no longer recognizes the SD card. Hoping my Reconyx holds up.

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Tbar, I also liked my Bushnell, I think they have great pic both night and day. But last spring when we had one of those 6 to 8 inch rains, water got inside the camera and ruined it. So far the Reyconx has held up for the 3rd yr and produces excellent daylight pics and night pics are ok but not as good as the Bushnell camera I had. That said, my next camera will be another Reconyx. I run several cameras 24/7 and the battery life on the Reconyx is way above all the other cameras I have used.

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Put up 2 trail cams watching the same area. You will be surprised at the inconsistency.


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Put up 2 Reconyx and see if that holds.

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Reconyx is above my pay grade. I'm married.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

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