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#414976 - 06/10/15 05:47 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Rainman]
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Registered: 03/24/15
Posts: 113
Loc: South Cemtral Virginia
Originally Posted By: Rainman
Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Do lost nine year olds count?


Only if they have a gun and point it at me....but seriously, the "save the children" argument has been so over used and misused, it is becoming meaningless.


You got that right- I have more than one LEO tell me that the ones between 13 and 18 are the ones that will pull the glock out and put you in the casket. They have no moral compass and no fear . They feel invincible.

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#414982 - 06/10/15 07:07 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: gully washer]
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Originally Posted By: gully washer
Uh, do you mind if I occasionally invite my biker buddies from Waco, to come over for long weekend parties?


Sure gully washer..lol

BTW....I am starting to think most of those guys were innocent bystanders.

At first I was "all them guys are trash", but now I think there is a lot more to the story.

I wish you could bring the 65 year old Purple Heart recipient that the Waco cops killed..Jesus Delgado Rodriguez of New Braunfels, Texas, who had no criminal record, and was not even a member of a motorcycle club.

Maybe one day we'll get the truth of what really happened..We need to know more.
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#415013 - 06/11/15 12:31 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Zep]
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What works well for me is a sign of a bull that says "I can make it to the fence in 3.2 sec! Can you?" And I have a black steer roaming the property. That seems to scare more people than gun signs. I also let a caretaker live on the property for free. If you can find someone trustworthy, that works the best. We started a bunch of rumors about him killing trespassers and people believe it. We say "He carries a no trespassing sign around with him so when he shoots someone he can put the sign on the fence for the law!"
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#415018 - 06/11/15 05:25 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Rainman]
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Originally Posted By: Rainman
Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Do lost nine year olds count?


Only if they have a gun and point it at me....but seriously, the "save the children" argument has been so over used and misused, it is becoming meaningless.


I could not possibly agree more! I'm sick of hearing about the children, think of the children... I have become so de sensitized by liberal's who use this argument to strip the people of their rights, especially gun rights, that the word "children" just makes me turn away.
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#415030 - 06/11/15 07:54 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: gully washer]
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Originally Posted By: gully washer
From other people's experiences along with my own, the trespassers in my neck of the woods have usually been teenagers or young adults. Often, it's a temporary thing, for they usually grow up and move on to bigger and better things in life.

If an older, serial trespasser IS encountered, that too is likely a temporary thing, because such a person is likely mentally inept, or too stupid to remain a free member of society.

I would also hazard a guess that the vast majority of vandalism perpetrated on vacant property is done so by teenagers .............. Especially drunken teenagers.

With 30 acres, once a full time resident along with a couple of good dogs is known to be onsite no one in their right mind is likely to trespass over a fence. There is no perfect solution for securing a vacant property, but getting to know some of the neighbors is a good start. Most landowners share the common interest of having their private property respected. If it appears that you're surrounded by idiots, sell immediately.



Ha, to relay a bit of personal experience in regards to this. I don't know how many times we have had a word with kids who are out and about, and eventually crossing onto our property. We go thru the usual story of private property, yada, yada...

Many times, later in the day, we get a call from the sheriff dept saying that so and so called, and the kids told them some outlandish story and the parents want us to be arrested. The dept knows its all a crock, but they go thru the formalities. We always say, good that they called, now you have their names and if they come again, there is no second warning.

Generally for me, if kids are halfway polite in encountering them, we just talk and they are reminded no more warnings. If they show disrespect, the sheriff escorts them back home. I feel you really aren't doing the kids any favors by ignoring poor behavior.

Kids are also responsible for a lot of "innocent" accidents. Like starting a little bonfire and it getting out of control and having a forest fire. Yes.... it has happened. Bad kids like to try to come off as innocent kids and get away their stuff. How many kids are responsible for bucket stocking a pond innocently. If they did ruin your stocking plan, costing you time and money, how do you feel then about controlling all trespassers?

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#415043 - 06/11/15 10:03 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: fish n chips]
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Originally Posted By: fish n chips

Ha, to relay a bit of personal experience in regards to this. I don't know how many times we have had a word with kids who are out and about, and eventually crossing onto our property. We go thru the usual story of private property, yada, yada...

Many times, later in the day, we get a call from the sheriff dept saying that so and so called, and the kids told them some outlandish story and the parents want us to be arrested.


I record all encounters now. I walk up on the trespasser(s) with my video camera already going so they know they are being recorded. I introduce myself and offer my hand in a handshake and I ask them their name. I usually have to follow up with asking for last name.

I ask them if they are lost? I know they are most likely NOT lost, but it's a formality.

I ask them if they are aware they are trespassing on private property (again usually oh I didn't know that response), and then I follow that with how did you come to this spot? I want them to say the route they took so that I can reply with how many no trespassing signs they passed on that route.

I ask them if they know that trespassing is a misdemeanor that may involve a fine and will appear on their juvenile record? I tell them I could call the local sheriff, but since they've been respectful and honest (I don't know if they have been, but this is a leading question) I won't call if they state they understand this is private property and that they will not trespass again (remember all of this is videotaped). I then ask them where do they live, and what are their parent's names? I tell them that our property is private because we do a lot of shooting and trapping and we know where our traps are and we know where we're shooting, but a trespasser is unlikely to know and we don't want anyone hurt.

I offer my hand again to shake and tell them I appreciate their understanding and respect and to enjoy the day or weekend.


From experience I can say every trespasser has offered up their names, parent's names, and address. At first they are quiet or "oh s**t", and the video camera gets them a little nervous, but I record for the very reason mentioned above - that kids may go back and tell their parents some b.s. story. In fact I drove to one address to see if the kids were being truthful, they were all outside and I spoke with the father. He said he didn't like his kids being videotaped, but I explained that Sheriff XXXXX told me to record all encounters so there is a true account of what happened. The father then understood why I recorded and said he could see that being important.

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#415047 - 06/11/15 10:39 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: basslover]
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Posts: 2315
Loc: Northeast Ohio
Originally Posted By: basslover
Originally Posted By: fish n chips

Ha, to relay a bit of personal experience in regards to this. I don't know how many times we have had a word with kids who are out and about, and eventually crossing onto our property. We go thru the usual story of private property, yada, yada...

Many times, later in the day, we get a call from the sheriff dept saying that so and so called, and the kids told them some outlandish story and the parents want us to be arrested.


I record all encounters now. I walk up on the trespasser(s) with my video camera already going so they know they are being recorded. I introduce myself and offer my hand in a handshake and I ask them their name. I usually have to follow up with asking for last name.

I ask them if they are lost? I know they are most likely NOT lost, but it's a formality.

I ask them if they are aware they are trespassing on private property (again usually oh I didn't know that response), and then I follow that with how did you come to this spot? I want them to say the route they took so that I can reply with how many no trespassing signs they passed on that route.

I ask them if they know that trespassing is a misdemeanor that may involve a fine and will appear on their juvenile record? I tell them I could call the local sheriff, but since they've been respectful and honest (I don't know if they have been, but this is a leading question) I won't call if they state they understand this is private property and that they will not trespass again (remember all of this is videotaped). I then ask them where do they live, and what are their parent's names? I tell them that our property is private because we do a lot of shooting and trapping and we know where our traps are and we know where we're shooting, but a trespasser is unlikely to know and we don't want anyone hurt.

I offer my hand again to shake and tell them I appreciate their understanding and respect and to enjoy the day or weekend.


From experience I can say every trespasser has offered up their names, parent's names, and address. At first they are quiet or "oh s**t", and the video camera gets them a little nervous, but I record for the very reason mentioned above - that kids may go back and tell their parents some b.s. story. In fact I drove to one address to see if the kids were being truthful, they were all outside and I spoke with the father. He said he didn't like his kids being videotaped, but I explained that Sheriff XXXXX told me to record all encounters so there is a true account of what happened. The father then understood why I recorded and said he could see that being important.



That's the same approach I take with kids, minus the video. I like that idea, just don't have that ready to go when needed. Very good idea tho... I like it when we walk back the route they are telling me they come and I tell them to stop and turn around. Right in their face is a sign!! One time this happened to a girl (18-ish) I caught lounging by the pond reading a Kindle. Nice little comfy spot I had made for her. When she turned around and saw the sign, I told her she must be just carrying that Kindle for a fashion accessory because otherwise she could have read the sign.

I have taken to making sure the phone is with me, which can take pictures. This also comes in handy when its motor bikes, etc. They know you aren't going to catch them, but a pic for the sheriff gives them something to go on, and proof when they are finally caught.

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#415051 - 06/11/15 10:55 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: basslover]
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Originally Posted By: basslover
Ha, to relay a bit of personal experience in regards to this.


wow basslover that is some great stuff
with real logic behind each action to
deal with the lawbreakers whether they
are "kids" or adults.

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#415076 - 06/11/15 01:20 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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I am glad that I am a quarter bubble off level. Things like this take me a lot less time, and I do not get repeat customers.

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#415109 - 06/11/15 04:50 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: fish n chips]
gully washer Offline


Registered: 01/07/13
Posts: 308
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: fish n chips
Originally Posted By: gully washer
From other people's experiences along with my own, the trespassers in my neck of the woods have usually been teenagers or young adults. Often, it's a temporary thing, for they usually grow up and move on to bigger and better things in life.

If an older, serial trespasser IS encountered, that too is likely a temporary thing, because such a person is likely mentally inept, or too stupid to remain a free member of society.

I would also hazard a guess that the vast majority of vandalism perpetrated on vacant property is done so by teenagers .............. Especially drunken teenagers.

With 30 acres, once a full time resident along with a couple of good dogs is known to be onsite no one in their right mind is likely to trespass over a fence. There is no perfect solution for securing a vacant property, but getting to know some of the neighbors is a good start. Most landowners share the common interest of having their private property respected. If it appears that you're surrounded by idiots, sell immediately.


Generally for me, if kids are halfway polite in encountering them, we just talk and they are reminded no more warnings. If they show disrespect, the sheriff escorts them back home. I feel you really aren't doing the kids any favors by ignoring poor behavior.

Kids are also responsible for a lot of "innocent" accidents. Like starting a little bonfire and it getting out of control and having a forest fire. Yes.... it has happened. Bad kids like to try to come off as innocent kids and get away their stuff. How many kids are responsible for bucket stocking a pond innocently. If they did ruin your stocking plan, costing you time and money, how do you feel then about controlling all trespassers?


Since you quoted my post I'm assuming that the remark and question (which I marked in red letters) are directed at me.

My post concerns any absentee land owner who may be experiencing a trespasser on their property when they (the owner) are not at their property . I was merely suggesting that if the trespasser is a teenager it will most likely be a temporary, and not an ongoing problem.

I was in no way suggesting that one should neglect confronting a teenage trespasser should the circumstance arise. Perhaps I could have better worded my post so as to avoid any confusion, or maybe, I'm incorrectly interpreting your reply to my post. Either way, I apologize.

Now, in regards to the young lady lounging by your pond............ I just might have to let that type of trespasser slide. grin

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#415111 - 06/11/15 05:03 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: gully washer]
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Posts: 2315
Loc: Northeast Ohio
And looking back at that, I also probably did not word that the most perfectly. smile

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#415112 - 06/11/15 05:09 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: fish n chips]
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Posts: 308
Loc: Texas
No problem........ Just thought that I would clarify. smile

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#415117 - 06/11/15 05:35 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: gully washer]
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Originally Posted By: gully washer
Now, in regards to the young lady lounging by your pond...I just might have to let that type of trespasser slide.


yes Gully I suppose there is an exception to every rule
and I could look the other way for certain trespassers.
However I might have to take the trespasser to dinner
where the matter could be discussed in more detail.

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#415120 - 06/11/15 05:59 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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I use the video camera on my cellular telephone to record the encounters. I have the trail cameras going off like crazy, but I want, for potential legal recourse, to have a record of what _I_ said, my tone and demeanor, especially when dealing with kids. As much as I want to record what they say, their vehicles (4 wheelers mostly), and their identities.

I have no need for an irritated parent to go off on me because their child lied to them about my approach, demeanor, and what I said. I can play back the tape and they can see for themselves.

But again, both my attorney and the sheriff said it is in my best interest to record all confrontations and interactions.

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#415121 - 06/11/15 06:06 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Zep]
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Originally Posted By: Zep
Originally Posted By: gully washer



Sure wish i would find somethin like that tresspassing
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#415125 - 06/11/15 06:41 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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You guys need to face reality....

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#415127 - 06/11/15 07:48 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: basslover]
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Originally Posted By: basslover
I use the video camera on my cellular telephone to record the encounters. I have the trail cameras going off like crazy, but I want, for potential legal recourse, to have a record of what _I_ said, my tone and demeanor, especially when dealing with kids. As much as I want to record what they say, their vehicles (4 wheelers mostly), and their identities.

I have no need for an irritated parent to go off on me because their child lied to them about my approach, demeanor, and what I said. I can play back the tape and they can see for themselves.

But again, both my attorney and the sheriff said it is in my best interest to record all confrontations and interactions.


Basslover, from the sound of things it would appear that trespassing is an ongoing and continuous problem for you, based on the level of preparation you describe. I'm curious as to what your particular situation is, related to such high numbers of trespassers. Can you elaborate as to why you think it is you suffer such numerous incursions?
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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#415134 - 06/11/15 08:29 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: sprkplug]
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug

Basslover, from the sound of things it would appear that trespassing is an ongoing and continuous problem for you, based on the level of preparation you describe. I'm curious as to what your particular situation is, related to such high numbers of trespassers. Can you elaborate as to why you think it is you suffer such numerous incursions?


Quite the opposite, sprkplug. Not much at all really due to the remoteness of our pond and the lack of houses anywhere near it. However, there are ATV trails maybe 15 minutes away and people wander. They used to wander right down dockside. Up went cables and signs. That eliminated the overwhelming majority. And the trail cameras were installed.

Some traces of trespassers, but very few. But very few is not zero, and that is our goal. For one this is our land and no one but us pays the taxes on it. And everything that people enjoy about our land, the campsites, the shooting range, the dock, and the fish well we've done all the work and paid all the bills for that as well. Not much for free riders.

I've also an eye on poaching. My bass have RW ratios of 110% up through 125%. It is likely that a trespasser has zero knowledge of the time and money involved in our pond, and they're likely to just drop a line in and try to catch that "big fish" - because water clarity is such that if there's a bass within sight or they're cruising you'd be like "wow that's a big fish". And if you didn't have a rod/reel with you, you'd likely bring one next time you hit the trails. So I am also protective of "my fish". We do catch and release, barbless hooks only. Again, unlikely an unknowing trespasser would follow our "rules".

I have learned that recording encounters is the safest solution - from traffic stops to fender benders to trespassers. A lot of people behave differently when they're on tape. But also there is now a recording of what happened so it cannot be in question. When I hear the ATVs I stop whatever I'm doing, holster the sidearm, turn on the video recorder on the tele, and go to greet the trespassers.

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#415140 - 06/11/15 08:59 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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Makes me thankful for my 5 surrounding neighbors who feel as I do. It's not a worrisome issue here, and I have no need of a gun or camera when I'm out and about. I understand and appreciate that some may feel differently however.
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.

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#415149 - 06/11/15 10:07 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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You must be a knife guy:)

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#415151 - 06/11/15 10:25 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Drue4Bama]
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I'll never tell.
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.

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#415153 - 06/11/15 10:29 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Zep]
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Originally Posted By: Zep
Originally Posted By: gully washer
Now, in regards to the young lady lounging by your pond...I just might have to let that type of trespasser slide.


yes Gully I suppose there is an exception to every rule
and I could look the other way for certain trespassers.
However I might have to take the trespasser to dinner
where the matter could be discussed in more detail.




I don't know, Zep. She has an odd rod handling technique. Maybe, over dinner, you could explore the problem and get her on the right track.
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#415156 - 06/11/15 10:47 PM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Sunil]
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Originally Posted By: Sunil
I don't know, Zep. She has an odd rod handling technique. Maybe, over dinner, you could explore the problem
and get her on the right track.


Sunil I'd like the opportunity to try...
part of the problem might be she is using
one of them yankee reels. laugh

The girlie girl needs an Abu Garcia 5000C!

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#415164 - 06/12/15 01:47 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: Zep]
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Regarding the costs of trespassers.

A client of mine had a trespass problem. The trail cam locked in a bear proof box, 3/8" Python cabled to a tree lasted less than 2 weeks before it disappeared.

A 1 ac pond that was stocked with forage fish, RES and YP and was at the cusp of getting SMB stocked was bucket stocked with LMB. The pond was partially drained and rotenoned and it cost him 3 years (between stocking the forage, and getting the pond to the point to stock the SMB).

This pond is 1/2 mile off of the road, and it's not visible to anybody. Closest house is roughly 1/2 mile away.

FWIW, the LMB were 12"-13". Fish like that just don't magically appear one day. No water could enter the pond runoff wise (groundwater pond), and fish can't swim through dry woods.
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#415165 - 06/12/15 01:58 AM Re: What To Do About Trespassing On My Pond Property!? [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Regarding the costs of trespassers.

A client of mine had a trespass problem. The trail cam locked in a bear proof box, 3/8" Python cabled to a tree lasted less than 2 weeks before it disappeared.

A 1 ac pond that was stocked with forage fish, RES and YP and was at the cusp of getting SMB stocked was bucket stocked with LMB. The pond was partially drained and rotenoned and it cost him 3 years (between stocking the forage, and getting the pond to the point to stock the SMB).

This pond is 1/2 mile off of the road, and it's not visible to anybody. Closest house is roughly 1/2 mile away.

FWIW, the LMB were 12"-13". Fish like that just don't magically appear one day. No water could enter the pond runoff wise (groundwater pond), and fish can't swim through dry woods.


Ouch. While it is an added financial cost - 2 options:
- wireless trail cam so footage is uploaded in near real time
and/or
- secondary cams that point at the original more obvious cams

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