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My dad just finished putting in my 200 grass shrimp I ordered from Fattig which by the way were a pleasure to deal with good down home service from the folks there in NE. I myself have placed 6" to 10" rip rap in preparation for the crayfish but I would think that vegetation could probably work I myself wouldn't know maybe an expert will chime in.

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RAH the papershell could probably survive fairly well in the weeds but what happens in the winter when the weeds die back and pond bottom is bare in early spring?


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I was not sure if that would be a problem of not. Looks like I will need to add rip rap first. Thanks! I do have curly leaf pondweed as well, but I do not know if it provides cover in winter.

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Curly Leaf does provide cover in winter early spring since it is a cold water plant.


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Maybe I'll see about getting a few with the knowledge that they may not make it. Not sure if it is wise to have them shipped this time of year though?

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RAH, I just received 300 papershells via UPS this morning and they all seemed to be in good shape when they arrived, but I am no expert maybe I was just lucky.


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Did you get them out of NY?

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Yes Sir I got them from smith creek fish farm in NY they were a little pricey but worth it in my opinion. also another thing worth mentioning is the $100 free shipping from smith creek doesn't go toward fish.


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I'll see if I can get a quote from them. Was the shipping very high?

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yes the shipping was pricey after shipping the crayfish came out to about $1 each, but they are the only place I could find that sells them. I would have much rather gathered my own from local sources but my job greatly limits my time at home.


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Thanks. I'll get a quote. I have crayfish, but not papershells.

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RAH, in this hot weather, I wouldn't try and save $$ by going with 2 day shipping. If you don't want to spend the $ for next day, wait until it cools down for them. A client did the 2 day thing a few summers ago and had 90% mortality.

He re-ordered and had one day shipping on the re-order. 0 morts.


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Thanks. I'll get a quote. I have crayfish, but not papershells.


Not wanting to hijack this thread, but why would you specifically need papershells, if you already have crayfish? I put 45 crayfish in my pond earlier this summer. I'm just waiting to see how they do. I was thinking the SMB I'm putting in this fall would eat them. Do SMB only eat papershells?


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I think that papershells are more adapted to ponds than our local crayfish which seem to be more adapted to streams (burrowing type). Maybe I am wrong on that?

I'll be careful with the shipping. No response from my web request for a shipping quote yet.

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It always amazes me that businesses have web sites with contact functionalist, but then seem to not monitor customer queries? That must impact their bottom line.

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I assume you are referring to smith creeks awkward ordering system It took me threes tries over almost 10 days to get an order through to them. I guess either they are short handed or really busy but I wouldn't think there would be much business this time of year.


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Maybe they are all on vacation and forgot to post that on their web site?

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Thanks. I'll get a quote. I have crayfish, but not papershells.


Not wanting to hijack this thread, but why would you specifically need papershells, if you already have crayfish? I put 45 crayfish in my pond earlier this summer. I'm just waiting to see how they do. I was thinking the SMB I'm putting in this fall would eat them. Do SMB only eat papershells?


I was shocked how fast the crayfish multiplied for me here. I bet I only put in 100 maybe and in two years have millions. If it was not for the FA we would be able to find them under every rock.

This year every stone has one about 1" long this time of the year. Yesterday we caught one in the trap that had claws the size of my thumb and was about 6"s long.

As a kid I remember catching them in creeks and finding eggs under their tail. Every crayfish I have caught by hand in our pond I look for the eggs. I can't seem to find any with the eggs on them but they are re populating.

I do know bass with clean up all the crayfish first before minnows. If there is not enough places for them to hide or the water is too clear they better be able to breed fast.

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I have a question regarding the GSH fry from Andersons if they were stocked in late April what size would they be that fall say first of October? thanks


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Grown by that time.


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ok I am going to reopen for a question my original stocking plan did not start until next spring, but with some quick work by the contractor and some heavy summer rains I am looking at a half full pond. And along with an early finish I managed to get most of my forage started including FHM, PSC, and grass shrimp around the middle of July. Does anybody see a reason why I couldn't go ahead and stock brooder GSH and RES along with more FHM this fall and bump up my YP stocking to next spring. Thanks


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I found what appeared to be a 2.5" GSH dead in my newer pond today (just one). The pond also has YP, LCS, RES, and FHM. Of these species, is GSH the least tolerant of low DO?

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I'm not sure about the LCS, but of the other fish, yes, it the least tolerant of low DO events.


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Thank you - This pond is still developing and finding its equilibrium. The weather has turned cooler, so it should be good for now. This pond has lot of submerged weeds right now, but after the marginal plants and water lilies mature. I will be slowly raising the water level one foot over a few years. If the weeds persist at his level, then I will eventually add a couple grass carp.

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Fish truck showed up today with 300 5"-8" YP and 150 3" RES. I will have to say finding somewhere to get yellow perch in northwest Arkansas has been a chore. I believe it will be worth the trouble though when they are biting hooks next spring. Now I just need to make sure they have plenty of cedars to spawn on this coming spring.

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