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mnfish #408090 04/15/15 10:24 PM
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Called my hatchery contacts up north, they do not raise nor stock PS. Sorry man, made several calls today trying for you.

I think we go back to plan B - find local fishery with PS, and target them while on beds, shallow and aggressive. 50G tank with aerator in the truck and tonneau cover down. I use a floating livewell when collecting fish ala Condello. Plastic tote with holes drilled and swimming noodles zip tied to the sides and a slot on lid to slide fish into. I tie it onto my float tube and paddle away. You can also use it from shore - it's very low profile no one will even notice it's in the water. You'll have no issues keep fish alive until the mad dash to the truck, hopefully under the cover of darkness, if you know what's good for you. Might even want to create a diversion a few blocks away - say some tannerite explosions?


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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Called my hatchery contacts up north, they do not raise nor stock PS. Sorry man, made several calls today trying for you.

I think we go back to plan B - find local fishery with PS, and target them while on beds, shallow and aggressive. 50G tank with aerator in the truck and tonneau cover down. I use a floating livewell when collecting fish ala Condello. Plastic tote with holes drilled and swimming noodles zip tied to the sides and a slot on lid to slide fish into. I tie it onto my float tube and paddle away. You can also use it from shore - it's very low profile no one will even notice it's in the water. You'll have no issues keep fish alive until the mad dash to the truck, hopefully under the cover of darkness, if you know what's good for you. Might even want to create a diversion a few blocks away - say some tannerite explosions?


Thank you TJ. I truly appreciate it!

Smokey and the Bandit style...yes sirrrr and with explosives (nice touch grin)

This has really turned out to be a great excuse to reconnect with people and meet some new ones. Who knew a pumpkinseed could have such an affect....Last year I was so excited because I thought I had a PS hatch in a little 1/8 pond and it turned out I miss identified them. They were in fact GSF (what a hack I am in fish management). ESSHUP had to go and burst my bubble when I forwarded the pics cry grin

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Well my friend, you are a far better inventor than lepomis identifier - good news is the former can actually make you some money and is useful.


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Thanks TJ.. I will stay on it..One day I will get better at this fish stuff.

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Keep us apprised of your ps hunt. Wish I was closer I would love to help you collect.


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Apparently I have a few thousand PS in my pond you could share. Unfortunately, I am in NC. So a bit of a hike for you.

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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Called my hatchery contacts up north, they do not raise nor stock PS. Sorry man, made several calls today trying for you.



What the heck, you didnt call me TJ. I guess I dont have any PS anyways,...

MNFish in my earlier quest to find RES I found a guy in Iowa with them adn REX had a contact that could get me some, the guy in Iowa was more northern and I that the fish would do better, but in retrospect I would have rather worked with REX and his contact even if the fish werent as northernly.

This was back in the Dave Willis days and he helped in my quest a fair bit, and there was talk of his Gravel Pit with small mouth and PS in it and trying to find a way to make it legal to get some out of there, but I opted for the RES. If you could find a contact in SDSU Maybe you you strike up a good conversation.

Aslo silver dollar sunfish target snails also, if you can find some of them.

Skudds fill a vary similar nitche to snails but I doubt they could totally displace them, but scudds tend not to act as a host to the same three parasites, white grub, yellow grub, and black grub, But I am still very under versed in my grub knowledge and have read a few things suggesting it is possible to skip a host sometimes.


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Thanks again guys. I may have found some. The informal, off the record, under the cover of darkness, pond owner fish exchange may have come thru again. grin

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psssttttt I've got some in my pond - in a cage no less. wink

They are learning how to eat pellets.


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Hey Scott! Hypothetically.. could you, being from Indiana, bring fish into MN. How thick would the envelop need to be? Maybe tie in a couple days of pond management consulting fees for ya!

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I'd have to get them vhs tested. Crossing state lines without might be a Lacey Act violation. It'd take a LOT of consults to pay that fine!!


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"...The Lacey Act has been amended several times since its inception in 1900. The most significant ones occurred in 1969, 1981, and 1988. The 1969 amendments expanded to include amphibians, reptiles, mollusks, and crustaceans. The maximum penalty was increased to $10,000 with possible imprisonment for one year. Additionally, the mental state required for a criminal violation was increased to "knowingly and willfully;" civil penalties were expanded to apply to negligent violations."

Ahhh come on you chicken... crazy

I'm curious..how much would it cost to have them VHS tested? How many have to be sacrificed for testing ?

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This might work for anyone. I was fishing on shore at a local reservoir to catch some extra BG and PS for my pond and wasn't doing any good. Along came three young guys smoking pot and catching all kinds of little fish along slabs of concrete along the shore used for soil erosion using only a hand line with a small hook. They dropped the line at the little rock caves and holes between the rocks and caught fish nearly every time. I tried it and caught a supply of stockers 2 to 5 inches in no time. For transporting the fish home I have food cooler rigged with a cheap 110 volt aquarium pump and bubble stone that plugs into a 110 volt ac converter from the car cigarette lighter.

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John, you said they guys were smoking pot and hand fishing and so you tried it. you told us how good the fishing was but did not tell us if the pot was any good smile

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I was thinking the same thing!


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Originally Posted By: mnfish
I'm curious..how much would it cost to have them VHS tested? How many have to be sacrificed for testing ?


I've heard rumors, but let me send out an e-mail to check for sure.


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No worries sir, just curious...I know your extremely busy this time of year!

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I suspect that the pot heads were catching GSF in and among the shoreline rocks. I would want to see a fish picture before I believe PS live among rocky caves of shorelines.


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I think 60-65 fish need to be tested for papers...but not certain.



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Originally Posted By: John Monroe
This might work for anyone. I was fishing on shore at a local reservoir to catch some extra BG and PS for my pond and wasn't doing any good. Along came three young guys smoking pot and catching all kinds of little fish along slabs of concrete along the shore used for soil erosion using only a hand line with a small hook. They dropped the line at the little rock caves and holes between the rocks and caught fish nearly every time. I tried it and caught a supply of stockers 2 to 5 inches in no time. For transporting the fish home I have food cooler rigged with a cheap 110 volt aquarium pump and bubble stone that plugs into a 110 volt ac converter from the car cigarette lighter.


Sounds like you were catching GSF. That is classic GSF behavior in lakes where they're in competition with BG/LMB.

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Bill Cody it's been many years but I'm sure the rocks are where where the PS came from because those are the only wild caught fish I have ever put into my pond. All others have come from commercial fisheries that I specifically bought. The lake has lots of Bass and Walleye in it so perhaps the small fish were taking refuge in the rocks.

The potheads were quite nice and one give me his hand held line which I still have.


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John Can you catch one of your PS and post a picture of it here?


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Bill when I had my last winter kill BG, PS, RE, CC, LMB were wiped out except for a few minnows and one GC that I still have. With that wipe out I decided to change my pond with just minnows and I add 6 GC to my one surviving one. I suspect you think I may be confusing the PS with BG but the PS are so much more colorful that it would be hard to do.


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I suspect you are confusing them as well.

Cody note: I agree, maybe not with BG but GSF or some similar specie with a reddish eat tab boarder.

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I stocked RES with my original stocking with some regret as they took out my ramshorn snail. For 50 years of my life I did a lot of fishing and I am pretty sure I know a PS when I see one. Prairie Creek reservoir is stocked every year and what I suspect is that the BG along with any PS went to the safety of the Rocks. I admit I didn't know PS would't be in rocks so I am curious as well. I was going to buy BG to stock but I will try seining them in hopes of getting a PS and taking a picture of it. I just don't think I could confuse a PS with a RES.

Here is an article that ran in Pond Boss in 2011 showing the difference between a RES and a PS. I just don't know how you can confuse the difference.

http://bigbluegill.com/forum/topics/redear-vs-pumpkinseed

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