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Yeah, more investigation is in order.

I have countless White Oaks that shoot up every year from acorns. That was the initial thought process with the Pecan trees.

I would like to get rid of ALL of my pine trees and most of my White Oaks, and others, then pretty much start with a clean slate.

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Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Well with the pecans that come up in the yard from mine actually don't revert back to native. They are large pecans more like a Stuart pecan with a thicker shell than a paper shell. Not sure what is happening but they definitely not natives



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Showing my pecan ignorance here, which is perfectly ok with me, I show my ignorance all the time! Just read a few of my posts smile

Are Stuart pecan the only nut trees you have? Should also ask, cause I don't know, are Stuart pecans a strain or a hybrid?

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No Stuart at all,the freebe come ups look like Stuart. Mine are all Indian names- Choctaw- can't remember the rest, some large some not

Ps I have read some of your posts and think you are into the Falstaff a bit much.... LOL

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Originally Posted By: JKB
Yeah, more investigation is in order.

I have countless White Oaks that shoot up every year from acorns. That was the initial thought process with the Pecan trees.

I would like to get rid of ALL of my pine trees and most of my White Oaks, and others, then pretty much start with a clean slate.


JKB you might find this interesting. I can't comment cause I just don't know. FWIW A friend of mine with a degree in forrestry told me this in an e-mail, "Oaks naturally hybridize, to the point where I'm convinced that most oaks we see are hybrids to one degree or another. The species lines are pretty darn blurry, especially within the white oak group. Personally I think there are just a couple of true species of oaks (or perhaps just one) with thousands of variations."

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Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Ps I have read some of your posts and think you are into the Falstaff a bit much.... LOL


My buddy in Texas, PW, turned me on to it. Hard to get now. Out of production. Thankfully he still has a garage full! grin

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I agree I have been to Texas A&M Pecan short course. Well worth the time. Also Pecan south magazine will help. Most if not all Indian named pecans were developed by Tommy Thomson at the Texas pecan research By College station. Desirable is also very popular.
Most old paper shells are just outstanding trees discovered and grafted. If you plant pecans from a tree it will be different as it has been pollinated from another tree. This is what I learned from A&M. It has been a few years so I could have forgot.
The Noble foundation in Ardmore Oklahoma is also a good source for Advise.
Kanza is a big native looking pecan that takes very little spraying and will stand colder weather.
All my pecans are native.
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Dale are yours the small hard shelled ones that are super good tasting but they make you earn it to get it out of the shell?

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A friend of the family is a taxidermist (she don't do fish), but is interested in 2 large White Oaks I have. If the cores are solid and you crosscut slab them to about 5-6" without wrecking the bark, the 4' tree could bring around 5K just for 6' of the trunk. She want's to know what the core is on a 6' White Oak I have. I had the tree doc out, and he believes the tree is rotting from the inside.


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Pat, that's the first time I've PERSONALLY heard of a volunteer pecan that didn't come back as a native. However, I find that it is not all that unusual for me to be wrong.

See my next post.

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Question about planting pecan nuts to get a tree.

I last did this about 25 years ago and it worked. Soak the nut for a week or so and then put 4 or 5 of them in a bucket of soil. When they sprout, cull down to one. Let it grow awhile and then transplant. It worked great. These are native pecans but about 2 or 3 times the size of the nuts off of my neighbors native trees.

I've been trying it again for the last couple of months and it hasn't worked. No matter how long I soak them I get nothing. The nuts are from the trees that I successfully "cultured" but just aren't sprouting. According to pecan sites on the web, I'm doing it right.

I'm planting them indoors. I know nothing about photo periods. Could that have a bearing?

One of the nuts cracked and started a root. So I put it down into some soil. It somehow pushed up to the top of the soil and died.

What am I doing wrong?

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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
Question about planting pecan nuts to get a tree.

I last did this about 25 years ago and it worked. Soak the nut for a week or so and then put 4 or 5 of them in a bucket of soil. When they sprout, cull down to one. Let it grow awhile and then transplant. It worked great. These are native pecans but about 2 or 3 times the size of the nuts off of my neighbors native trees.

I've been trying it again for the last couple of months and it hasn't worked. No matter how long I soak them I get nothing. The nuts are from the trees that I successfully "cultured" but just aren't sprouting. According to pecan sites on the web, I'm doing it right.

I'm planting them indoors. I know nothing about photo periods. Could that have a bearing?

One of the nuts cracked and started a root. So I put it down into some soil. It somehow pushed up to the top of the soil and died.

What am I doing wrong?


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The trees that you planted from nuts, did they produce? If so, how many years of growth before they made edible fruit? Did you have to graft them?


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They produce quite well when we get decent rain. I think it took about 5 years. This year they did very well. I never grafted them because the nuts are about 3 times larger than the normal natives. However, they are certainly not paper shells.

I transplanted some on my land at Bowie. However the drought of 2012 killed those.


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Dave, some advocate refrigerating pecans for at least 90 days before planting. Of course, this doesn't explain the many seedling trees that are growing around the countryside from pecans that haven't been refrigerated.

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Yes they are. I have mine picked up on halves when I have a good crop. From what I have been told most go into cookies around my part of Ok.
I would still like to plant an orchard but it is a big investment. if a pecan tree comes up in the right place ( not too close to other trees)I will put a post by it so I don't run over it and hope it grows.

Texas A&M said no native tree is the exact same I have some trees with good size for natives and some small.

I have an old pecan tree that has never produced a nut There is a hole in it and there is no telling how many squirrels have been raised in it.

A good pecan farmer would cut it down I just cant do it.
I also don't do this for a living.

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I have found that the sooner you plant the pecan the better chance of it sprouting, also found that some sprout before they fall so if limbs are low start looking at them as soon as they even begin to open up and you will find candidates for planting. After being on the ground for 30 days I can't get them to sprout


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Pat, that might just be the answer.


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Around here the squirells cut the pecans while they are in the husk, the ones that they don't eat they bury for later. Those usually sprout and start to grow, the squirels still will dig them up and eat the nut. Mother Nature is pretty smart. While the nut is starting to grow the nut won't rot keeping the food supply viable for a time... My point is if a squirrel plants it and you want it ... Cover around with wire cage .... Otherwise it gets et



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I gave a bunch, several hundred, to Al Hall(FIH) for him to grow. He planted a bunch of them before trying to sprout them. The tree rats dug up every one of them.

Rethinking my previous time when I planted them. I got them in the Spring and planted them with no problem. They had to have been gathered in the Fall. I have no idea why it worked so well then and not now.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
I gave a bunch, several hundred, to Al Hall(FIH) for him to grow. He planted a bunch of them before trying to sprout them. The tree rats dug up every one of them...

They darn sure did! What I wasn't expecting is that they continued to root around in that bed after the pecans were all gone. We lost 6 butter lettuce plants that were planted over the same area the pecans were in.

We have resident red tailed hawks which turned DD1's favorite pests completely nocturnal. That makes them hard to control.


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Ok. So the slabs have dried and the first project complete. Our local high school basketball team needed to replace some old ratty couches. So I donated these to there locker room. I now have 53 left that dried straight enough to work with.

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That's some real pretty wood Cray!


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Thanks. I think the players really appreciated them.

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Cray how thick are they and what did you use to seal them?

Very nice work. I work with wood all the time and so enjoy different woods.

On the planting thing above I have heard as well to put the seed in the freezer to trigger a season before you warm them up to plant them.

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I cut those down to 2-1/4" thick. And I used a two part epoxy to seal.

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