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The new cultivars that have been released in the last 15 years or so are more precious than the older varieties. We are planting excel, creek, Lakota, Huffman, McMillan, and Ellis. These varieties start producing enough to harvest by year 5. And in the case of creek we have had 2 year old trees that grew 100 nuts per tree. We also push them with fertilizer and micro nutrients.


Cray, having production at 5 years is amazing. Could you go into a few more details about how you maintain (water, feed) the pecan trees? I've planted 10 more 2-3" pecan trees, and I want to get them off to a strong start like yours.

Cool thread.


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I am glad you have brought the pecan up for discussion. My son and I have been thinking of a tree or trees where we might sell the fruit for profit. I am aware of the pecan trees that can produce in 5 to 7 yrs, so we have been considering 10 pecan trees. But you are in Georgia where the great Georgia Peach fruit is produced. How would you compare $ profits from the pecan to the peach. We are looking @ 10 or so pecans versus 50 peach trees. What say u? Thanking u ahead.
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Tracy, I know you're close to Shreveport, so do you stick with the Indian pecan trees?

Sorry if I got this thread off topic, but due to the extended drought, we've lost dozens of old growth oak trees over the last few years and I want to get my new trees off to a strong start.


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u nailed it Al, on the losing of old oak trees and pine trees also. It's a good thing the sweet gums work in the pond for structure. We are just looking to fill an area with some trees that might make a little profit and pleasure.
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Al, I am not sure what pecan trees to plant here in our area, but I did learn about some of the new trees will produce pecans in 5 yrs, and I was also told China is buying up all the pecans that USA can produce. And that is why i asked the questions here on this post.
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Wow, that's a lot of Pecan! I love it's taste, like a mellow Hickory. This thread has my interest - learning a ton and didn't know Fish was an expert, either. Keep going!


Expert? Don't know about that... but have been felling, cutting, and drying lumber my whole life. So that adds up to a lot of hands on experience. Most of the wood I process is large blocks for carving, which is hard to dry successfully so you have to be very particular. The PB name doesn't refer to food, its referral to all the different ways I turn wood into chips...just a silly play on words.

There is guy near me that has chestnut trees. He has been doing what Cray is getting into. He thins them out and salvages the better parts of trees. It can add a nice side supplemental income to the regular business. Its fun to open up logs and see what's inside, but has been mentioned, a lot of hard work. I bet Cray can testify to this. Kind of like treasure hunting, never knowing what really is inside. It can be very addicting, be carefull Cray!

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Fish n chips...aha, I get it now. Kinda figured you were partial to beer battered cod and visited Ireland often.

I have nothing constructive to add to this thread being a total lumber cutting novice still, other than I'm eager to read more about planting Pecan trees, smoking wood, and felling/seasoning trees - so I'll step aside and enjoy.


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The new cultivars that have been released in the last 15 years or so are more precious than the older varieties. We are planting excel, creek, Lakota, Huffman, McMillan, and Ellis. These varieties start producing enough to harvest by year 5. And in the case of creek we have had 2 year old trees that grew 100 nuts per tree. We also push them with fertilizer and micro nutrients.


Cray, having production at 5 years is amazing. Could you go into a few more details about how you maintain (water, feed) the pecan trees? I've planted 10 more 2-3" pecan trees, and I want to get them off to a strong start like yours.

Cool thread.

Pecans need weel drained soil, ph of 6.0-6.5, if you are planting bare root trim roots to fit hole. Do not wrap roots in hole! Pant top root no deeper than 2" below soil surface. Probe hole with rod all the way to bottom before watering. This will allow water ot get to bottom of hole and settle all dirt.keep putting in water until air bubbles stop. Air is roots enemy. Trim top third of tree off then strip all the buds off except the top 6". Allowing these to bud out. You will train a dominant limb from these.
Ok now nutrients. Take a soil sample and mark it for pecan. Follow the recommendations from lab for P and K.
Need to go to work will Finnish tonight.

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Cray, thank you very much.


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Ok I'm back. Once you get your P and K out there is really no need to put out much N the first year. You will get a little N with the other nutrients. Now the most important part, micronutrients. Your new tree will grow best if it gets monthly applications of zinc, nickel, and boron. These should be applied to the foliage. Also put down a heavy mulch 8' diameter around tree thes keeps form drying out, adds nutrients and keeps weeds from competing with tree.

Once you get good growth on your new shoots break off all but the best two. Allow these to grow training the best for your main trunk leave the other to feed tree but cut off at 1" diameter. If all goes well that will be its first winter.

All you Texas guys and gals should look into the pecan short corse put on at Texas A&M. I have been and it was well worth the time.

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[quote=TGW1]Al, I am not sure what pecan trees to plant here in our area, but I did learn about some of the new trees will produce pecans in 5 yrs, and I was also told China is buying up all the pecans that USA can produce. And that is why i asked the questions here on this post.
b/c climate has a lot to do with cultivar selection I will not make any recommendations. but your county agent should be able to help. As far as China is concerned. They are buying 40 million lb a year. That's a 1200% increase from just 6 years ago. But the U.S. produces about 280 million lb. a year. And Georgia produces the most of any state.

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Wish there was a pecan tree tolerant to zone 4. I would love to grow a few.


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Seems cray might be into pecans as much as ponds ... Cool stuff!


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Bobby I only work the pecans so I can afford to pay for my ponds.

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Here's a link to the Texas A&M course Cray referred to.
Texas A&M Pecan Short Course

Again, thank you so much. DD1 you interested? All we're gonna do next January is look out the window at the cold weather anyway.


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Thank you Cray for the information on the pecans. Good to know.

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We bought 12 Sumner pecan trees. Would have bought more but it was all the nursery had. It is the most sought after pecan tree in the southern US. Early to fruit ( 4 to 5 years) and was highly recommended by LSU for this area. Will grow to 50', I hope smile
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Sumner is a great tree. I have 68 acres of those myself. This tree has the ability to fill out nuts even on the inner shaded branches. However it is becoming more susceptible to scab. And black aphids love it. It is a good producer. It will alternate bare but this is easily controlled by shaking off the excess in late summer at 1/2 to 3/4 elongation. We average 1750 lb per acre on sumners.

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We hope to get another dozen but they snow and ice slowed us down, and when we doug the holes they filled with water due to soil saturation and did not want to set the new trees in the water with a 20 degree night expected. So in the next few days, we will put new trees on the property. I like planting trees. smile
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The nut trees sound interesting, especially Pecans. I did some googling and a farm up by my place sells the pecan nut seeds for planting.

They have a strain from Wisconsin that grows and produces in colder climates. I'll dig into that one a bit more.

Thanks for the info Cray, I would never have thought of Pecans.

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Originally Posted By: JKB
The nut trees sound interesting, especially Pecans. I did some googling and a farm up by my place sells the pecan nut seeds for planting.

They have a strain from Wisconsin that grows and produces in colder climates. I'll dig into that one a bit more.

Thanks for the info Cray, I would never have thought of Pecans.


That would be awesome JKB. I would love to get my hands on a dozen or so seedlings Zone 4 tolerant! Please post your findings!


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If I'm not mistaken when you plant a pecan from a nut you don't get the same pecan as the parent tree. That's how it works around here

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That's right Pat. All grafted trees start out as natives from the nut.


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Possibly. More info needed....From my experience with seed corn manufacture, it is all about the seed. If they have created a cross between two strains that produce a seed that grows a tolerant hybrid and that is the seed they are selling, then it will work, but the seeds from the hybrid will not retain the traits of the hybrid tree.

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Well with the pecans that come up in the yard from mine actually don't revert back to native. They are large pecans more like a Stuart pecan with a thicker shell than a paper shell. Not sure what is happening but they definitely not natives



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