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Just found this old 2009 thread on Spotted Bass. According to Greg Grimes, they are very aggressive. His experience with clients ponds and spots was not that good.

2009 thread on Spotted Bass


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Spotted Bass thread from 2006

2006 Spotted Bass thread


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A recent thread questioning if a bass was a Spotted Bass because some of KingRace78 LMB looked different than others. He was questioning if they could be spotted bass, but appears not.

Difference in LMB and Spotted Bass


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A different 2009 thread on Spotted Bass. Different than the one I linked to in an earlier post.

Spotted Bass 2009


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A 2014 discussion started by Bill D. on Meanmouth bass that has some later reference to Spotted Bass.

Meanmouth bass discussion


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A thread all the way back to 2003 on Spotted Bass. Greg Grimes definitely thinks Spotted Bass are not a good choice for a pond.

2003 Spotted Bass thread


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Short 2011 thread on Spotted Bass.

2011 Spotted Bass


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A 2008 post that never got an answer.

Spotted Bass management


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2004 discussion of multiple bass species including the Spotted Bass.

2004 Other Bass Species


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2008 thread with good description of various bass species including the Spotted Bass.

coosa bass?


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Originally Posted By: snrub
Just found this old 2009 thread on Spotted Bass. According to Greg Grimes, they are very aggressive. His experience with clients ponds and spots was not that good.

2009 thread on Spotted Bass


I've been thinking about Greg Grimes comments about people putting large spotted bass in their ponds, then the bass being very aggressive and loosing weight.

There also has been numerous discussions here on PBF about taking large LMB out of their environment, placing them in a pond, and them doing poorly and loosing weight.

I guess what I am questioning, maybe the bad experiences with them involved moving a large adult fish that never became acclimated to its new environment. For example, taking a creek/river fish and putting in a pond or taking a fish from a large lake and putting it in a pond might not be the best way for the fish to thrive.

Perhaps the Spotted Bass to do well in a pond environment needs to be either started out as a fingerling or be recruitment so it spends its entire life in the pond environment???? Just wondering.

Surely since the spotted bass has been discussed on this forum since 2002 at least a few pond owners have tried spotted bass. Anyone out there have Spotted Bass in their ponds that can report on their success/failure?


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Was looking at information on the Missouri web site. http://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/field-guide/spotted-bass

While flipping back and forth from the Largemouth to the Spotted bass, noticed the difference in life span. The spotted is said to live about 6 years (similar to BG and RES) where the LMB calls for a 10-15 year lifespan.

Thought that was kind of interesting, and may explain some of the aggressive nature of the fish. Shorter lifespan means it has to get with it to reach maturity, reproduce, and keep the species going???


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Found this discussion about spotted bass in farm ponds via a search.

One poster said stocked with LMB they did poorly and the LMB out competed and the originals lived till they died off but no reproduction. Another poster said SMB were stocked in a quarry as the only predator (no competition) and they did well. Sounds like spots might need to be by themselves similar to SMB stocking in farm ponds if a person wants them to maintain a population.

Spotted bass in farm ponds

Cody Note: This from 'greentrout' about SPB in the above link: Caught them elsewhere and they are pound for pound, inch for inch, one of the best fighting fish anywhere.

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Just found this. Will take time to read it tonight (time for lunch then some fishing right now - wife bought me a new crappie rod for my birthday grin ). Do not know what it says.

It is a PDF download;

RESULTS OF STOCKING YOUNG LARGEMOUTH AND SPOTTED BASS IN SEVERAL RATIOS IN OKLAHOMA PONDS

Cody Note: This from above link: "On the basis of the number of fish stocked, northern largemouth bass produced the largest standing crops and spotted bass the smallest (Table 1)."

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Here is a thought.

John F over on the other thread stated that most bass anglers considered spotted bass an inferior fish.

Now consider how SMB are considered in the grand scheme of things. Few fisheries sell them. LMB demand for stocking fish is probably a hundred to one or greater (maybe a thousand to one???) over SMB fingerling demand. Most literature states that SMB have to be in a large BOW to do well so they can find their "niche". General information is that SMB do not do well in small ponds.

Yet there have been individuals here on PBF that have proven generally accepted knowledge about SMB being wrong. Stocked as the only predator, without the competition of LMB, they do quite well in ponds. Or so I am told and hoping to find out soon.

So do we really know what SPB potential in ponds really is? Or are we just making assumptions and going by what we know about them when in competition with other fish in large BOW's like the assumptions previously made about SMB?

Anyone have a bare pond and a source of SPB to experiment? What would a pond full super aggressive predator that maxes out at 7 or 8 pounds that is super easy to catch be worth to an angler? What if they could be feed trained?

Hmmmmm???

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John,
That is in just one large lake with maybe unique conditions that the spots are considered inferior by many. My new pond doesn't have any bass yet. I could get a few spotted bass later in the year after those BG have spawned a couple of times, and put them in to see. But, the spots I would likely catch at about six to eight inches would already be about two years old. The strain we have here is the "Kentucky" bass.

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Someone always gets to be first - "one small step for man, one giant leap for pond management".

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Originally Posted By: John Fitzgerald
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That is in just one large lake with maybe unique conditions that the spots are considered inferior by many. My new pond doesn't have any bass yet. I could get a few spotted bass later in the year after those BG have spawned a couple of times, and put them in to see. But, the spots I would likely catch at about six to eight inches would already be about two years old. The strain we have here is the "Kentucky" bass.


Sounds like a plan to me! Who knows what they might do with all the BG and fish food they could eat? Long as you keep the otters away. eek


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Bill, The otters didn't seem to affect the BG population very much at all. They went for the hibernating CC just basically lying on the bottom. Probably didn't get bass in my other pond either.

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Spotted Bass are pretty good in a pond setting where sunfish are not part of the prey base which is based on personal experience.

The Spotted Bass are respected in what are essentially two story fisheries in some of Missouri's larger / deeper public lakes.

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snrub, have you ever found a hatchery source for spots? Just curious after reading thru this old thread.


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No but I never looked very hard.

Kind of gave up on the idea, especially where I now have SMB.

I still would consider putting some in my old pond if they become available. I would probably have to come up with a blocking net or some way to protect them a while because I have LMB in that pond. Or have advanced size stockers.

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I've been interested in trying SPB for years. I'd love to find some 2-3" juveniles, cage them, feed train them and go from there. But I have never seen any for sale.

ewest or others... are the SMB x SPB hybrids sterile? I've read differing accounts.


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snrub, in this thread jeffhasapond says there is a supplier near him. Although it was in 06 maybe there's a chance there is one. If so, I'll have them shipped here and raise them in a grow out pond and get a few to you.

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=147661

Here's hoping jeff catches this post.


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