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We simply don't allow those "types" on our grounds. Josh has a perfectly suitable pond for organisms of that kind.
Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Water is the basis of all life, by design!
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TJ - nuked it last night, but I'm afraid my calculations were off as no floaters as of yet.
Assumptions - to raise the water to lethal levels (12 or better PH) I need:
220 lbs of lime for 26,415 gallons of water
(based on 100kg/100 cubic meters at 1 meter depth)
There were 2 pools left, the small one was 15 feet wide, 30 feet long and an average depth of 2 feet. Calculating the volume of an ellipse takes me to 471 cubic feet. 7.5 gallons per cubic foot = 3532.5 gallons of water. Assuming standard alkalinity (I did not check) I should need 30 lbs or so. I added 100 lbs.
The 2nd pool was approximately double the size of the 1st. Simple math shows I need 60 lbs. I added 200.
I immediately had small fish piping and/or jumping out of the water. That told me I was on the right track. But no floaters this morning. I'm making the assumption that the cold water is inhibiting decay and thus they're all on the bottom.
Anyone want to poke holes in my math? My intention is to buy test strips today and check the PH - it'll be 24 hours after application. What should I expect to see, I'm assuming around 10 or better still? It hasn't rained so volume is the same as when applied.
Dale "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water." - anonymous
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We simply don't allow those "types" on our grounds. Josh has a perfectly suitable pond for organisms of that kind. The tadpoles and turtles are flourishing! In my attempts to diversify my fishery, I have been regularly seining the old creek on the property and catching a ton of I-don't-know-whats. Think I got a good start on things. I didn't want to be selfish, though, so in my attempts to improve that unsightly clear water you have at your place, and hopefully knock back some of those nuisance walleye and smallies, I've been introducing those same I-don't-know-whats in your ponds as well. You are welcome, sir.
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Well something certainly went wrong...partial kill in both puddles but not complete in either one. I set traps in both overnight and caught fish in both.
So back to Menards I go, and I'm going to double apply. At this rate I'll have more $$ in Lime than I do in fuel to run the pump to drain the pond in the first place.
I'm guessing my volume calc was off, although I can't figure out how. I'm also trying to kill GSF fry, which are notoriously hardy.
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Update - had the excavator come in and remove what much he could reach, as well as dig me some deep holes just for fun. He didn't feel comfortable going down any further and honestly given the depth of the pond I wasn't too worried about it. I'm going to set some more structure and start the siphon this weekend to refill.
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I just joined and I'm reading through posts. I would love to see an update here. I am also planning a smallie pond in the northern part of the country and could use all the info I can get. Hopefully you will let us know more about the food chain you have planned?
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Somehow I missed this thread earlier.
Did you get everything killed out ok dlowrance?
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I just joined and I'm reading through posts. I would love to see an update here. I am also planning a smallie pond in the northern part of the country and could use all the info I can get. Hopefully you will let us know more about the food chain you have planned? Things are going mostly as planned....the pond is about half refilled after the clean-out project. I could start the pump up and finish refilling but at this point I'm not terribly worried about it. I'm hoping to get the forage fish in it within the next week or two. The SMB won't come in until the fall.
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Somehow I missed this thread earlier.
Did you get everything killed out ok dlowrance? Snrub - not exactly. After using 2 different doses, one being twice the calculated amount and the next being 4 times the calculated amount, I ended up killing everything....with one exception. Anyone want to guess what survived that amount of lime? 1-2 inch GSF. Them little critters are TOUGH. The larger ones died along with apparently everything else, only the small ones remained. I seriously considered treating it yet again but decided if the little SOB's were that tough I'd let them stay. The main goal of the restart was to remove the glut of top predators - CC's and a few LMB's - which was a success.
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Some progress pics....coincidentally had to replace some tires and wheels off of one of the tractors (calcium chloride is REALLY hard on steel) and decided to try an experiment. In addition to some standard U shaped SMB beds with larger rocks making the 'shelter' area and gravel in the bed, I decided to try making some raised beds with the tires and wheels... Not sure of their effectiveness but I can say that if they work the odds of them getting silted over is lessened greatly.
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Tires and rims....ouch!! ($$$$)
Placement looks good, though!
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Tires and rims....ouch!! ($$$$)
Placement looks good, though! You got that right Sparky...first experience with buying brand new tires and wheels for the rears on one of the tractors...it was downright painful. I varied the depth some on all 4 just to see if it mattered...shallowest will be at 3-4 feet at the actual bedding area, deepest will be 6 feet or so. From reading here that seems to cover the optimum range of bedding depths for SMB.
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Ouch is right. I'm glad someone told me about rimgard, (beet juice made in Michigan) hopefully my rims on my John Deere won't corrode as fast.
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canyon - that's what I had the tires filled with this time...the stuff is a little pricey compared to Calcium Chloride but it's worth it in the long run assuming you plan to keep the tractor for a good while.
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I wouldn't let the green sunfish survive.
Honestly, I hate them so much that I would consider the most drastic measures possible to get rid of them.
If you get through with all of this work renovating and they ruin your fishing, you are not going to be happy in the least.
Consider small tactical nuclear weapons LOL.
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No worries there Ronald....I like the little guys. I know I'm in the minority on this board but I find them scrappy and fun to catch.
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Hey now....without GSF we wouldn't have HBG!
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Rotenone works well on GSF.
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canyon - that's what I had the tires filled with this time...the stuff is a little pricey compared to Calcium Chloride but it's worth it in the long run assuming you plan to keep the tractor for a good while. Who deals rimguard in the area? I am going to have to put rims and tires on my tractor in the next year or so... Also if you ever need hydrated lime again Home Depot in Alton stocks it for around $7 a bag. I don't remember which part of macoupin county you were in to know if that's closer than Menards in Springfield though.
My pond renovation thread here
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canyon - that's what I had the tires filled with this time...the stuff is a little pricey compared to Calcium Chloride but it's worth it in the long run assuming you plan to keep the tractor for a good while. Who deals rimguard in the area? I am going to have to put rims and tires on my tractor in the next year or so... Also if you ever need hydrated lime again Home Depot in Alton stocks it for around $7 a bag. I don't remember which part of macoupin county you were in to know if that's closer than Menards in Springfield though. PJ's in Carlinville does - that's where I get most of my tire work done. I'm definitely closer to Alton than Springfield, but I work in Springfield so it's more convenient...sort of...
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What about the weighted "foam"? When I looked into loading the tires in the tractor that was another option. No sloshing, no rusting. But it wasn't cheap - about the same price as a tire.
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I've seen windshield washer fluid used a lot.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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canyon - that's what I had the tires filled with this time...the stuff is a little pricey compared to Calcium Chloride but it's worth it in the long run assuming you plan to keep the tractor for a good while. Who deals rimguard in the area? I am going to have to put rims and tires on my tractor in the next year or so... Also if you ever need hydrated lime again Home Depot in Alton stocks it for around $7 a bag. I don't remember which part of macoupin county you were in to know if that's closer than Menards in Springfield though. PJ's in Carlinville does - that's where I get most of my tire work done. I'm definitely closer to Alton than Springfield, but I work in Springfield so it's more convenient...sort of... Alright good to know, just have to find a pair of rims for it, 24x13's are an oddball size....
My pond renovation thread here
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What about the weighted "foam"? When I looked into loading the tires in the tractor that was another option. No sloshing, no rusting. But it wasn't cheap - about the same price as a tire. My guy here locally doesn't do that - and based on what I've read that's a real nightmare if you have to repair the tire. The beet juice is messy to drain and refill - but the foam is darn near a one use deal if you have to bust the rim.
Dale "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water." - anonymous
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