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Brian I remember yours and liking them. How tall are they now? I think they like moist soil don't they?
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DD1 Was the rye you were referring to grass or cereal rye( Elbon Rye) Big Dif in prices
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Mark, Most are over 20 feet tall, some are just under 20 feet, and a few are nearly 30 feet tall.
They do like the water, but not too much.
Also, some have been taken out by root disruption.
A few did not make it on top of the hills during the drought, but besides that, I really like them.
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Pat, I didn't know there was a difference. I just went to the Feed Store and said rye for grazing cattle.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
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Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Dave, You probably got rye grass. Cereal rye is harvested as a grain crop to make such things as rye bread to eat such things as Catmandoo's venison pastrami on such sandwiches as a pastrami reuben with such things as fresh kraut, horseradish sauce, pepperjack cheese, nice slice of vidalia onion.....
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Bill Mmmm but that is just heresay!!!! Lol...
It makes a seed head just like wheat... Dear like it ok but they hit the winter wheat better
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Spell checker on that phone got ya again Pat. So you feeding your "Dear" rye? You might want to try a little wine and candlelight...might have more fun later!
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It's one letter!!!
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Ok, Sorry I didn't know you were sensitive my friend......How about Falstaff and pretzels??
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That's better!!! Apologies accepted
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Rough crowd!
Over the years I've planted dang near everything for the deer. Lots of people swear by oats but I really haven't seen any preference between wheat, oats or rye. All of them make a seed head. They will ignore all of them for wild rye and I have quite a bit of it. If I get good rains I get acorns and they ignore everything else!
The local County Agent once talked me into trying Lab Lab. It is a tall plant with huge leaves and a thick stalk. It got about 4 ft tall and died when I went 2 weeks without rain. The deer never messed with it.
Do they still brew Falstaff? I haven't seen it in years but admit that I haven't looked for it.
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TGW1 I may plant a few Loblolly Pine Trees around the cabin. I think HighFlyer planted some around his cabin. Hay there Zep, I already some 40 to 50' pines around the pond so I wanted something to help feed the deer and Turkey, and the Fuji Persimmon's are recommended by LSU agg dept for this area or so I was told. And I already have native Persimmon's on my place Pat, so I thought I would try these and they produce fruit twice the size of the Natives.
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Dave, I agree, I tried the LabLab and it was expensive @ or around $85 per sk of seed and did not like the drought. I plant the 3 grains mentioned here along with Eagle soybeans and sorghum and Cowpeas. I really like the Eagle Brand soybeans and so do the deer, they will walk over everything to get to the beans. In fact , one side of the pond, 200 yds by 25 yds is now red clay. I have limed it and plan to put some more soybeans there along with some Top soil that needs to be spread over it. I hate the red clay but came from digging the pond.
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DD1 Falstaff bit the dust back in 1975.not a moment to soon. LOL Cereal rye has a seed head about 24" high and rye grass not sure I've ever seen it make a top. Winter rye that comes up on its own has a 2-3" seed top that the birds love. Around my place the deer turn up their noses at rye grass that we've planted in the past. This year we planted winter wheat and it was a total flop , didn't do much at all for some reason.
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Dave, I agree, I tried the LabLab and it was expensive @ or around $85 per sk of seed and did not like the drought. I plant the 3 grains mentioned here along with Eagle soybeans and sorghum and Cowpeas. I really like the Eagle Brand soybeans and so do the deer, they will walk over everything to get to the beans. In fact , one side of the pond, 200 yds by 25 yds is now red clay. I have limed it and plan to put some more soybeans there along with some Top soil that needs to be spread over it. I hate the red clay but came from digging the pond. TG your soybean story reminded me what happened a few summers back. We had a pretty good drought going until late August. We had planted a big garden on the land but had to drive 10 miles to bring water to it. It was the only thing green around and the deer came by and wiped out the green beans first. Pretty much nobody had a green bean crop that year cause of the drought and they just pulled them up. We left ours there and stopped watering them. In August the rains finally came. Turns out the deer did us a big favor by trimming those beans to the ground earlier. Those thinhgs took off growing like crazy when the rain finally came. We canned green beans till they were coming out our ears till first of October!
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OK, this fall I'll try some soy beans. never even thought of them. This year, along with wheat, I'll mix some in.
This year, I over seeded with turnips and white radishes. Most of them germinated and died and the deer have taken the rest out.
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Pat and DD, Long live Falstaff! I happened to see this mug in my dads shed last week...
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Dave:
If you are using soybeans for deer, make sure the ones you buy are indeterminate.
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Why indeterminate?
Prolly a dumb question
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Dj Now that really brings back memories!
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Most soybeans are determinate - setting the seeds all at once for harvesting at a certain time, and for a specific growing season length. Indeterminate will keep setting seeds and keep growing until killed by frost. New, tender growth keeps on being produced, making it more palatable for the deer.
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My wildlife spring and summer food plots are a lot of work but I love seeing the deer with the fawns in these plots. I have done two types of soybeans both agg and Eagle Brand forage beans. I plant in April and I have to place elec fence around the beans till June 1 or there will be no beans because the deer will wipe them out. the Eagle brand is 3 times the cost of the agg beans but from my experience it is worth the extra $. The agg beans are early to seed and that is why they are agg beans, but Eagle is for forage. Like 5 times the forage. And then after making to maturity the beans will last into Nov and Early December where the deer and Turkey will have winter food. This provides a great place for hunting in and around the plots. Even with large acorn yr's , the deer will stay on the Soybeans. To be successful with the beans u will have to do elec fencing using 3 strands of fence. The only way around this is to do plots in excess of 10 acres if u have good deer populations. And irrigation is always better. If you want to cut some expense, I might suggest adding 1/3 in agg beans added to the Eagle brand beans. Mixed in random with the forage beans. I DO NOT SELL EAGLE BRAND BEANS but after finding these 3 yrs ago, I am sold as you can see.
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