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#394062 - 12/05/14 11:44 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Cecil, if you really wanted the salmon, I bet you could collect your own eggs from the St. Joe River via fishing. You talking Chinook or something else?
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#394063 - 12/06/14 01:19 AM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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Happy Birthday, Cecil!!
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#394087 - 12/06/14 01:54 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Cecil, if you really wanted the salmon, I bet you could collect your own eggs from the St. Joe River via fishing. You talking Chinook or something else?


Chinook won't work, but Coho will. Possibly some Steelhead, but ya can't toss any of these in a 300 gallon system that's not prepared to operate at the colder temps.

Be cautious about collecting eggs and milt from State waters. Up here it's a No-No, and your diet could abruptly change to raw bologna on stale white bread. Make sure your loved ones send you plenty of soap on a rope wink

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#394092 - 12/06/14 03:02 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: highflyer]
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Originally Posted By: highflyer
Cecil,

Happy Birthday!!

And thanks for the airlift intro, it is working great!!


Fantastic!
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#394093 - 12/06/14 03:19 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Cecil, if you really wanted the salmon, I bet you could collect your own eggs from the St. Joe River via fishing. You talking Chinook or something else?


No, landlocked salmon. Salmo salar. A big deal in the northeast. I once almost bought some from Purdue University to plant into the trout pond, but the Indiana DNR said no to the sale. They had legitimate concerns about the remote potential that they could have ISA (Infectious Salmon Anemia) and didn't want to risk it's introduction into the watershed that feeds Lake Michigan. (I don't believe ISA has shown up in the Great Lakes yet, or at least at that time.)

Chinooks along with coho are raised for the table in some Canadian partial recirculating systems, but they are so easy for taxidermists in the Great Lakes states to obtain via angling, it's not a species that would be worth the effort. Even with my 4000 gallon cold water tanks it wouldn't be cost effective and the chinooks would have to get up to at least 30 pounds to be of any interest to taxidermists. I'd rather use my resources to produce harder to obtain species that I can get premuim prices for. And the cost to ship 20 pound Plus 35 inch plus frozen fish would severely limit sales.

Additionally It would be a big risk taking eggs from wild fish even if it is legal, especially from The Great Lakes. Salmonids in the Great Lakes have tested positive for VHS and IPN and furunculosis among other things. All the Great Lakes states DNR's have knowingly planted disease positive salmonids, including Indiana's DNR which planted IPN positive steelhead one year because the fish weren't dying and they didn't want to destroy the fish. A classic example of a conflict of interest when the entity that is in charge of enforcing disease protocols also raises and plants fish. Disease protocol enforcement should be entirely under the the Indiana Board of Amimal Health. This would not have been an option for a private producer.

The eggs I would use would be purchased from a disease free certified commercial source and shipped overnight Fed Ex in insulated iced boxes.

Here are two sources:

http://www.coldspringstroutfarm.com/

http://www.troutlodge.com/




Edited by Cecil Baird1 (12/06/14 03:59 PM)
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#394099 - 12/06/14 07:18 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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CB1 sick with your brookies which are fantastic fish after you are done raising them. Large brook trout like you raise are rare fish and beautiful specimens.


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#394100 - 12/06/14 07:22 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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I will but I'd like to offer more species as at some point I will saturate the market wirh brook trout.

Big bluegill over a pound and yellow perch over 2 pounds sell well too. My record is four minutes from posting on a website to money in Pay Pal.
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#394101 - 12/06/14 07:32 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I will but I'd like to offer more species as at some point I will saturate the market wirh brook trout.

Big bluegill over a pound and yellow perch over 2 pounds sell well too. My record is four minutes from posting on a website to money in Pay Pal.


Have not seen BH on the market.....Opportunity knocking Cecil! grin
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#394109 - 12/06/14 09:26 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: Bill D.]
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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I will but I'd like to offer more species as at some point I will saturate the market wirh brook trout.

Big bluegill over a pound and yellow perch over 2 pounds sell well too. My record is four minutes from posting on a website to money in Pay Pal.


Have not seen BH on the market.....Opportunity knocking Cecil! grin


Bullhead? grin Most taxidermist won't even mount them and catfish.
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#394115 - 12/06/14 09:43 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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JKB, I've caught steelhead out of the St. Joe River that when landed started squirting eggs and or milt, depending on the sex of the fish. Since I'm keeping the fish, I don't see how keeping the eggs/milt would be illegal since it's in the fish that I'm keeping.

But, I see Cecil's point. Raise something that isn't easy to get and it will command a higher price.
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#394124 - 12/06/14 10:45 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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#394131 - 12/07/14 12:18 AM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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Happy belated birthday, Cecil!
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#394152 - 12/07/14 03:39 PM Re: Happy Birthday Cecil! [Re: esshup]
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Thanks Rex!
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