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#384666 - 08/10/14 05:31 PM New pond need grass!
Pat Williamson Offline


Registered: 08/08/14
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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
10 month old pond and having trouble with erosion when it does rain having trouble getting anything to grow mainly cause its dry any ideas?

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#384668 - 08/10/14 06:45 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 01/26/14
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Loc: S Indiana
Unless your pond builder was careful to put a layer of good topsoil over the top of all the soil they used in construction, it is likely subsoil with low "nutritional value" for plant growth. If you can get topsoil spread over the area now, all the better. An aggressive program of fertilizing may help otherwise. To get new grass to grow, it needs regular moisture. Not just when a big rain comes and washes seeds away. Have you put some barrier over the seeds when sown? Straw or some covering will hold in moisture and help hold things in place.

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#384673 - 08/10/14 07:35 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: DNickolaus]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Dnickolaus
The dam was so long and high that he put the topsoil on the back side the dam so the waterside didn't get any.have fertilized but lack of rain is biggest prob. Like everything else it is slooow. Will try the hay.

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#384675 - 08/10/14 08:15 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Use a pump from the water side to water it regularly. .
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#384682 - 08/10/14 09:32 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Bluegillerkiller]
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Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: Bluegillerkiller
Use a pump from the water side to water it regularly. .


Plus a sprinkler head. We used an irrigation sprinkler head for ours.

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#384683 - 08/10/14 09:36 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: jludwig]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Thanks guys that's good ideas. I can rig something up that will hook up to 12 volt battery

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#384686 - 08/10/14 09:49 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Talk to Highflyer. He's had a solar sprinkler set up before, and he's working on another one.
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#384692 - 08/10/14 10:09 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: esshup]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Thanks Esshup
Now that's prob the way to to get it done

Pat

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#384720 - 08/11/14 07:03 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Pat, at this time of the year, getting grass seed to germinate and grow is a character builder. I've recently tossed rocks in the rutted areas to slow down the water.
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#384724 - 08/11/14 07:56 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Pat, I completely agree with DD1. Summer finally got here with a vengeance, and 100+ day's are gonna make it tough to germinate seeds for a while. Correct watering is gonna be the key.

I might look at Bermuda sod checkerboarded to cover more area. If you fertilize, I wouldn't go with the typical TX fertilizer blend of 30/0/10, 40/0/10, etc. I would go with a more even blend of 10/10/10, 13/13/13. Good root structure is what you're after right now, not a lush green lawn.

Here's what we did on the backside of our dam several years ago, and this grass took pretty well. Another plus was that the sod broke up the water flow, and stopped most of the erosion while the sod was settling in.
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#384731 - 08/11/14 09:07 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: FireIsHot]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Al and DD1,
Got a little Bermuda started from seed bu not much. Gonna try nursing it along and fert. This fall and also toss out more rye to try to hold it together till the Bermuda fills in. Where did you find Bermuda sod? One could sprig that stuff and it would take off. The back slope of the dam is not eroding like the front due to slope I think. Thanks for the input and if y'all have any more ideas I'm all ears


Pat

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#384744 - 08/11/14 11:17 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Pat, a better idea might be to buy the Bermuda squares and cut them up into pieces. Doing a whole dam could be costly.
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#384761 - 08/11/14 12:09 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Dave Davidson1]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Dave I have not seen Bermuda turf where I live only st Augustine grass and it would be dead in a week cause of the dry but I live south of Houston

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#384794 - 08/11/14 06:21 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
Dave Davidson1 Offline
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Lowes and Home Depot both have it here. However, this late, I doubt if they do. The best(cheapest) place to get it is from the guys that actually sell sod.
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#384808 - 08/11/14 09:05 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Dave Davidson1]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
David
They don't carry it down here but I will check at palastine next Tim I go up. Thanks
That will be easier to do than seeds. May have to wait till spring


Pat

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#384823 - 08/12/14 05:18 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 04/15/12
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For a place where grass will wash away plant some oats with your grass seed. Oats will come up first and hold the grass seed in. Also oats will hold moisture in. I did this on a hill by my garage many moons ago.

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#384827 - 08/12/14 06:16 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Due to the cost difference, I've generally planted wheat in the Fall on new ponds. Also, it can be a good place to hunt deer.


Edited by Dave Davidson1 (08/12/14 06:16 AM)
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It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP

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#384835 - 08/12/14 08:09 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 03/08/13
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Loc: Florida
I seeded my new construction dam with Bahia grass and then covered it with "seed hay". This was in the Florida Panhandle in November. The seed didn't come up until the following spring but by mid summer the dam looked almost as good as the surrounding Bahia pasture. Now it's been almost 2 years and the old and new are blended together. It is drought tolerant once established and reseeds itself too.

When I have had to do any digging in the pasture or around the pond the Bahia grass root system has been.....impressive. Cheap to buy, good availability in my area, and its drought tolerance made it a good choice for me.

My horses seem to like it too!

Good luck!

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#384848 - 08/12/14 09:23 AM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Gareth]
Pat Williamson Offline


Registered: 08/08/14
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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Thanks guys
I think I will try a little of all your ideas and something will come up and work

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#384880 - 08/12/14 05:58 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 02/16/14
Posts: 109
Loc: Texas
All of the above are great ideas

Adding to the mix, I too have a brand new pond threw down millet seed mixed in with the Bermuda. Millet will germinate almost over night when it receives any rain. Now my entire bank is completely full of the two grass. The millet instantly popped up creating the root system for the Bermuda to follow behind.

Pat, next time im out there I'll take a picture you won't believe the results.

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#384881 - 08/12/14 06:11 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Caviler03]
Pat Williamson Offline


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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Caviler03
As dry as it is it's prob to late this season but will do so next spring, love to see pix when ya can. Hope we have a wet fall ,got a lot to plant-dam is 450' long

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#384884 - 08/12/14 06:54 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Cav, thanks for the millet comment. I didn't know that.
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#384891 - 08/12/14 08:06 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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It's looks like it's around $30 for 50lbs. I may have to try the millet myself.
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#384896 - 08/12/14 09:20 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Loc: Central Kansas
Millet would make great dove hunting too...

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#384897 - 08/12/14 09:39 PM Re: New pond need grass! [Re: jludwig]
Pat Williamson Offline


Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2350
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
I was just thinking that- not sure how legal - it should hold the dirt til the grass takes over



Pat

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