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Just got back in from feeding. Somehow I managed to kill one of the 7 inchers. That sucks. I used a #8 plain shank hook. It was quite windy today and the first one I hooked pretty deeply. I bent barbs down and hook came right out. Who knows, but he's a floater now.


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It happens, that is why you have hundreds to work with...

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I'm just wondering were I'm going to source my next generation of HBG and HSB. It hard to place such small orders and I'm very leery of fish trucks after that last fiasco. Mabe I can catch Rainman passing through again sometime. I need to start thinking about a grow out cage too.

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This seems to be my day for offering up theories and ideas that have no evidence or proof to substantiate them, but I believe that HBG may succumb due to C&R far easier than native BG. I will find a floater or two a few days after nearly every outing now, even when I know that none were hooked deep, or otherwise injured.

I also believe that the condition is worse when the water temps are higher, and when the fish are larger/older.

In your case Jwwann, the fish was probably injured from the deep hookset. I didn't have any troubles with unusual morts until the fish got some size/age to them.


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Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Spark when your growing fish like that your theories and ideas are always welcome.


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Found a pic of another YP caught today.


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Every time I'm researching HBG I come across pics of Bruce. He must have stakes in bing and google. Look at this thing.


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I know, right? Bruce's fish always seem to make the first page on Google images....mine don't show up for another 2-3 pages. grin laugh

On a serious note, have you seen the HBG photos posted by outdoor writer Jim Gronaw over at Bruce's site, BBG? He's got a 12.5" specimen caught by his son featured over there at the moment, and that's only one of many over the last few weeks. Jim is a huge fan of HBG.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I had joined that site last year. Wasn't seeing too much activity, but I think it was winter. I'll go check it out.


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I need to learn to navigate that site better I added you as a friend spark. That is a nice one Jim got.


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Eh, most of us will be wet already anyway.

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Good point.


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I see I pasted that in wrong thread.


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Thought it was odd too, but was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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Well they done it again with a vengeance. I have beautiful first generation HBG, now two generations of offspring. I'm thinking of adding regular bluegill and LMB to control them. How many generations will it take to get the green sunfish out. Maybe I should just try adding LMB now And see what happens. The SMB are not getting the job done. I really wanted a HBG pond like Tonys. Not sure what I'm going to do yet. I think the fish truck may of mixed some regular bluegill in with my order. Those fry are everywhere.


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It's not all that unusual no matter where you get them. Mine came from a hatchery. However, HBG can still spawn but to a lesser amount than BG. They aren't true hybrids like a mule.


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John, how many of last year's spawn do you see now? let's think about the math....if 10-20 northern BG females are capable of sustaining the population in a 1 acre pond, and if we assume that HBG are 95% male, AND we stocked 500 HBG to the acre, then we already have 25 female HBG present.

What I'm getting at, is you will always see reproduction.....it's recruitment you need to control. Seeing 1-1.5" yoy HBG doesn't concern me, as I see em' every spring. But in my case their numbers decrease rapidly to the point that in five years I've never caught an F2. I know there's surely some in there, but their numbers are so low they are a non-issue.

How many 3-4 " HBG are you seeing? To me, that would be a good indicator of whether or not recruitment is occurring in a fashion to cause concern, and possibly warrant introduction of a different predator species.

Did you ever stock any single sex LMB?


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That's what scares me Dave. I don't want a pond of GSF. I remember reading somewhere on here of somebody breeding standard bluegill back in remove them. I don't remember how that turned out but I think they had some success.


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Originally Posted By: John Wann
That's what scares me Dave. I don't want a pond of GSF. I remember reading somewhere on here of somebody breeding standard bluegill back in remove them. I don't remember how that turned out but I think they had some success.


I think northern BG would eventually replace HBG, but I wonder if LMB being present played a key role in the successful transition.


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Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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It might of Tony. I guess I could try for the sake of saving my HBG pond and learning for future success of others. I really hate to throw in the towel on them.


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John, I felt like you when I wound up with them. But then, I started catching some. They're ugly mutts. I tossed them on the bank at every opportunity. However I found that a 5 inch GSF out fought a 7 inch BG or HBG. If they get to 8 inches, you need stronger line. I think my last one was about 9 to 10 inches and old the last time I caught it. After that, I pulled my hook away from hi/her/it just to keep from injuring it. It finally disappeared.

They spawn annually so mine disappeared after about 5 years. Then a creek overflowed into my forage pond and I got some more of them. I no longer worry about them and no longer look at them as a weed in the garden. I love the fight. If I had a pond to dedicate to them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

However, if a pure HBG pond were my goal, I'd probably be upset. Other than killing the pond and starting over, I doubt that you can do anything about them.


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There's a learning curve there John. We talk here on the forum of using HSB to control HBG recruitment, but are we speaking hypothetically, or from experience? That's what makes your efforts so valuable to the forum as a whole, and to myself especially....I want to experiment with HSB in a predatory role also, so I appreciate what you're going through, and your willingness to share it here.

I went with mixed sex LMB as my control measure. I don't see bass overrunning my pond like what is sometimes suggested may happen, but I do have LMB growing larger than what I'm comfortable with. If HSB would work in their place, I would try them in my pond.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I have 25 HSB in my pond and 40 SMB and they are not even knocking a dent in population. I think the HSB are filling up on AquaMax and not offspring. I'm going to think it over for a couple days and then maybe start adding LMB next week. I know of a pond over run with small ones. How many do you guys think I should add to start? Tony you toss out all of yours after they get to a foot right?

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John, what are you seeing, size wise, with your HBG recruitment?

My plan was to remove LMB once they eclipsed the 12" mark. However, this is easier said than done. Just last year I began allowing visitors and guests to bass fish in the HBG pond, in order to help me remove those larger fish.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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