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This stuff showed up about two weeks ago, and was a light green. Thinking it was algae, I sprayed it with Cutrine and it turned a rusty red within a few minutes. But, it's still here...it disappears with the rain, and reforms the next day like FA will.

I have been keeping the pond darker than usual with aquashade, but I'm not sure if this is decomposing FA or another variety that has moved in to take advantage of the FA's greatly reduced presence. It sits right at the surface, and will move with the slightest breeze. It seems to be comprised of foam mostly, but it will leave behind fragments of "film", or skin if disturbed.






"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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*sigh*

I've been afraid this would happen, when all my gentle and well meaning admonitions were ignored.

Sparkie, you have been responsible for the creation of a new life form, Cyanellus algae, GSF X FA. Happily, I believe if you mix 1 part rotenone in with 2 parts Cutrine plus, your problem can be solved. However, I would suggest moving with alacrity, as this species can rapidly evolve, and may be able to crawl from one body of water to another by the end of the summer.

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I'd be sending some of that in a container to Bill Cody.


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Wow looks like more of that snot vomit someone else had awhile back..


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I think it is mostly dead decaying algae that you killed previously. IMO it is surfacing due to all the air bubbles in it which I think is gas from decomposition. Decomposition may not be rapid due to Cutrine also doing 'a number' on a lot of the decomposer bacteria in the areas that were treated. Cutrine and most algacides are not specifically toxic just for algae. Most all small and microscopic life forms are vulnerable to the copper.

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Thanks Bill. I would imagine that last night's rain removed it, at least temporarily.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Originally Posted By: Yolk Sac
*sigh*

I've been afraid this would happen, when all my gentle and well meaning admonitions were ignored.

Sparkie, you have been responsible for the creation of a new life form, Cyanellus algae, GSF X FA. Happily, I believe if you mix 1 part rotenone in with 2 parts Cutrine plus, your problem can be solved. However, I would suggest moving with alacrity, as this species can rapidly evolve, and may be able to crawl from one body of water to another by the end of the summer.


Crawling algae....sounds like the plot line for a Syfy network movie premier. Ridiculous. I would expect more from a person of your scientific leanings.

On a more serious note however, I fear your frantic admonitions concerning the possible creation of a new, potentially malignant lifeform may contain some measure of truth. My Ameiurus/Typha project has yielded a species of cattail which is proving to be extremely hardy, chemically resistant, and highly prolific. Most disturbing however is the realization that when viewed in cross section, its leaves resemble an airfoil.

It may already be too late. Remain vigilant when you turn your eyes towards the heavens, and fear the wind that blows down from Indiana.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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It was gone all afternoon, but this evening it's making a comeback. This is what it looks like in the beginning, hardly any substance at all, just tiny, green, foamy bubbles. When I manage to strain some out, it looks like an algae, just not one that I am familiar with.





It forms itself into these lines and arcs, I can't tell if it's current, or wind that does it.



"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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T - that looks pretty familiar to me - good news, your FA is dying and decaying and floating to the surface. Always a bittersweet time for me - glad it's abating, but now I have to look at it or rake/net/remove.


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Well that makes two knowledgeable votes in favor of decaying FA. It just seems strange to me that after all this time, and all these seasons of FA growth and decay that I've seen, yet I've never experienced this before.

The heavy dye application must be the wild card. As far as removal goes, I don't see how, unless I were to skim it off with cheesecloth....there's very little substance to it.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Wait, it'll get denser....... wink


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I know a solid guy near you with Tilapia...might swap some for Maple Syrup or authentic Sasquatch video.


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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
I know a solid guy near you with Tilapia...might swap some for Maple Syrup or authentic Sasquatch video.


Figures. Maple syrup is all gone, and I sold the rights to the Sasquatch vid to the BFRO.

It's probably just as well. I'm holding out on stocking Tilapia until they figure out how to make them dislike the taste of Aquamax, do away with the need to breathe, (my ponds have a pretty high biomass already, don't need anything else utilizing the O2), make them totally unpalatable to the taste buds of LMB, and have them be able to crawl out on shore to expire, once the water temps drop. laugh


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
T - that looks pretty familiar to me - good news, your FA is dying and decaying and floating to the surface. Always a bittersweet time for me - glad it's abating, but now I have to look at it or rake/net/remove.


It is amazing, the stuff that stays on the bottom how much it adds to the sludge layer. When I raked some out of the shallow area I made for spawning there was already an inch of stinky sludge below the FA and the decaying FA was adding more. My pond is only a year and a half old.

Have one of my three air diffusers running and hope to get the other two installed next week (grandson staying with us so have some slave labor - except I have to pay this slave). I hope the aeration helps keep the sludge at bay.


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Sprkplug, I don't have anything nearly as severe as what your pictures show, but also have a very thin layer of stuff that looks similar in nature. If there is some wind, never notice it. But after a still night when there might only be the very slightest of breeze, it will accumulate on one bank.

Carolynn & I were fishing last evening just before dark and it was calm. The stuff made my bobber look black and yucky, so we moved to the other side of the pond. Was a thin layer of it out to about 20 feet away from the bank. There are some bubbles also.

I do not know it to be the case, but I laid it on possibly being the aeration. The color of my water has been different this spring since putting in the one double air diffuser. Being a fairly new pond, I can't say for sure what the water is supposed to look like, but I know the water looks different than in our other pond that has no aeration.

My thinking is, maybe the aeration is working on removing the inch or two of muck that accumulated on the bottom of my pond from last year when I had no aeration. Think about it. If the muck layer is being reduced as aeration is supposed to do, where does the muck go? The nutrients and "stuff" has to eventually be suspended or absorbed in the water, doesn't it? I'm thinking a portion of the stuff is floating on the top where the wind, waves and decay eventually gets rid of most of it.

But that is just a guess on my part. If my hypothesis it correct, as the muck goes away eventually the water will change again, hopefully for the better.

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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
...I have been keeping the pond darker than usual with aquashade, but I'm not sure if this is decomposing FA or another variety that has moved in to take advantage of the FA's greatly reduced presence...


Tony, not trying to hijack your thread, but do you see any difference in BG feeding immediately after adding aquashade? I've been fighting the FA in a pond, and the feeding really slowed down after adding aquashade. They're picking back up, but I was worried for a day or two.


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I have noticed that AL, but like you said they pick back up after a few days. Guess it throws em' for a loop, temporarily.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Thanks! That's good to know.


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24 hours later, coming on strong. Looks plenty green yet.



"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
24 hours later, coming on strong. Looks plenty green yet.

That's why they call it CYANELLUS algae, after all.

As I look at the picture, Sparkie, I think I'm seeing the shape of a head, with a very wide open mouth, forming in the surface substrate. From now on, I'm not sure I'd visit the pond without firearms.

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Hollowpoint rounds, filled with Cutrine?


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Worth a try.

FWIW, I've got not-dissimilar-appearing-stuff as well-no cutrine, and first year I've seen it have this appearance, though I've had smaller amounts of definite FA in the past. Rex was passing through here yesterday, so I had him sic some of his beauties on it. I'll let you know how that works. I wonder if there's something about the wierd weather we've had for the last couple seasons that has affected algae production? Or algae die off?

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I wondered that also. If it's FA, it's unlike any that I've seen in the past. Something is absolutely different.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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sprkplug.

From your pictures, it looks more like spirogyra. Cutrine Plus liquid, mixed at a rate of 16 ounces per 2 gallons of water with the addition of an adjuvant like Cygnet Plus at a rate of 4 ounces per gallon of water will knock that back within 48 hours. Another great product to help with the reduction of the sedimentation is an enzyme product called PZ-900. Add that to your solution and spray it on every piece of algae you can hit. This mixture is something that I use thousands of times per season and it works.

Things to stay away from... ROTENONE! Unless of course you want to knock out your fish population while trying to get rid of your algae bloom.

Also, Chelated copper products like Cutrine will NOT disrupt your microorganism function if they are applied within the label rate. I personally apply the Cutrine with bacteria products on a daily basis and the results are always on the positive.

Things to consider... water circulation: I noticed from your pics you do not have an aerator in your pond... I would highly suggest getting one. This will increase your microbial function which will help to reduce the nutrients feeding the algae blooms.

Just my $.02, but it's based on 2500 pond treatments per year....


Miles upon miles of aeration line installed, 2500 plus pond treatments performed annually.... and I'm just getting started.
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I simply cannot get a handle on this stuff using Cutrine plus. The only relief comes from the rain, temporarily. It appears to be getting worse, which seems odd to me if it's decaying FA. Spraying it is problematic, as the spray simply pushes it aside. It's almost like I need a fine mist, to enable it to cover the stuff instead of going through it.









"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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