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#363020 - 01/15/14 04:19 PM Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry?
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Curious if anyone has ordered Golden Shiner Fry from Anderson Fish Farm for stocking an existing pond? How'd they work for you? Have a 2 acre pond considering stocking with 250,000 GSH fry from Anderson. The cost of mature GSH seems to be cost prohibitive to stock in an existing pond which I why I am looking at all our options. Any chance of them surviving to breeding size if ample cover & spawning habitat is available?

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#363063 - 01/15/14 09:34 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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What is the current fish community like?


What % of your pond is submerged aquatic vegetation?

A big factor in how well the GSH fry survive is whether the pond they are stocked in is having a bloom at the time they are stocked. If they have no food, they will starve...
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#363121 - 01/16/14 11:32 AM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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As CJBS mentions if the plankton conditions are not correct most of the fry will not survive. Then those that do survive have to live long enough to make it to breeder size. Often in established waters it is in the end more economical to stock the adults. IF adults do not survive from year to year the pond habitat is not good for production or maintaining GS as a forage species. This general rule applies to all forage species.
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#363131 - 01/16/14 12:02 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Bill Cody]
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I'm planning to stock them this spring in a little 1/2 acre pond I've got as a sediment stop before my big pond. There are no fish in it now (that I'm aware of anyway) only frogs and turtles. It's got plenty of vegetation. My biggest concern is that it's going to be difficult to get them back out in quantity once they mature enough to get moved into the big pond.
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#363132 - 01/16/14 12:04 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: dlowrance]
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If you have a high water event some may flush into the big pond.

I've caught a bunch in minnow traps baited with Aquamax.
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#363153 - 01/16/14 02:30 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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Having a lot of vegetation in a minnow shiner pond is a big detriment for good production. The rooted (submerged) vegetation detracts and actually competes against plankton. Plankton is very beneficial for growing minnows/shiners and most all small fish including fingerlings of sportfish. Thus to have the best or even good production of minnows keep submerged vegetation to a minimum. Submerged vegetation also makes harvesting the minnows very difficult compared to a clean bottom pond.
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#363160 - 01/16/14 03:58 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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If you have a pond with no predators, just stocking a couple dozen brooder size adult GSH will give you more than 250,000 GSH fry, they will be born at the correct time as opposed to stocking fry whenever they pond they were born it was best and it will be far cheaper buying a couple dozen brooder GSH.
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#363180 - 01/16/14 06:59 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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Curious what time of year/temp do GSH typically spawn in?

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#363192 - 01/16/14 08:18 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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Generally mid spring when water temps reach 70 degrees and cease spawning when temps reach 80. They will sometimes spawning briefly in late summer if temps fall below 80 when days are still long enough.
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#363784 - 01/22/14 12:05 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: CJBS2003]
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Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
If you have a pond with no predators, just stocking a couple dozen brooder size adult GSH will give you more than 250,000 GSH fry, they will be born at the correct time as opposed to stocking fry whenever they pond they were born it was best and it will be far cheaper buying a couple dozen brooder GSH.


Thanks for the suggestions gentleman. I believe we are going to end up going with the larger GSH and see what happens this year. We had a fantastic bloom last year and the lake is quite fertile. I would suspect they could pull off a spawn given the lake conditions and the amount of new cover going in this spring.

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#363812 - 01/22/14 03:13 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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GSH are fractional spawners and will spawn for a while over the temp range noted by CJ. Here is a little info.

http://web1.cnre.vt.edu/efish/families/goldenshiner.html


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#363905 - 01/23/14 11:10 AM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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For reference: Generally with fractional spawners, females release small amounts of eggs several times during the spawning season or
release of eggs at intervals, usually over several days or weeks. This allows more, smaller and immature eggs to be carried in a limited abdominal cavity space as the intervals enable the smaller eggs time to mature; and once shed, eggs mature at different times and thus may avoid complete loss of a season's spawning to predators. Also called batch spawner.
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#373027 - 04/18/14 11:51 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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Originally Posted By: Water Fowl
Curious if anyone has ordered Golden Shiner Fry from Anderson Fish Farm for stocking an existing pond? How'd they work for you? Have a 2 acre pond considering stocking with 250,000 GSH fry from Anderson. The cost of mature GSH seems to be cost prohibitive to stock in an existing pond which I why I am looking at all our options. Any chance of them surviving to breeding size if ample cover & spawning habitat is available?



WaterFowl,

I used them for the initial stocking of my pond. I had shiners in abundance, but my hybrids and bass have since absolutely destroyed them.. I used to see them at the feeder all the time.. as my pond aged, that dynamic has changed.

To answer your question. I did use them, and It was highly successful.


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#373379 - 04/21/14 11:48 AM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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I have 250k on order for a 6 acre pond in NW Florida. At $270 a pop, I can't justify the 250k/acre prescription, especially if there's a decent chance of failure. The pond is well established with LMB and CNBG, and has some aquatic vegetation. I've been debating getting the bloom going w/ some super phosphate and, after reading this thread, I think I will.

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#373400 - 04/21/14 03:59 PM Re: Anderson Fish Farm - Golden Shiner Fry? [Re: Water Fowl]
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A weedy area protected by a blocking net will help habituate the GSH.
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