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Originally Posted By: esshup
I was told that if a private pond does not have a permanent inflow or outflow, then no stocking permit was needed. If a private pond DID have a permanent inflow or outflow, then the pond owner had to apply AND receive a stocking permit before any fish could be stocked.

So I guess us fish guys also have to be the police and ask to see the stocking permit before stocking the fish?

There's a HUGE difference between aquaculture rules and pond stocking rules. Aquaculture rules are much stricter.

I talked to a person who's boss is Dr. Barr. They kept trying to tell me that I needed to have my facilities here inspected. It finally took me asking her. O.K. So when will a person be available to inspect my facility? When she asked for the address and found out that it was in Indiana (like I was trying to tell her for the previous 1/2 hr) she said no inspection was needed because I was out of state. I swear, it was like talking to a brick wall.


Like I said par for the course up there. Even resident fish farmers have fits with Michigan rules. John Nelski can give you an earful.


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Originally Posted By: JKB
You try to share it, but it get's skewed off.


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Originally Posted By: esshup
I was told that if a private pond does not have a permanent inflow or outflow, then no stocking permit was needed. If a private pond DID have a permanent inflow or outflow, then the pond owner had to apply AND receive a stocking permit before any fish could be stocked.

So I guess us fish guys also have to be the police and ask to see the stocking permit before stocking the fish?

There's a HUGE difference between aquaculture rules and pond stocking rules. Aquaculture rules are much stricter.

I talked to a person who's boss is Dr. Barr. They kept trying to tell me that I needed to have my facilities here inspected. It finally took me asking her. O.K. So when will a person be available to inspect my facility? When she asked for the address and found out that it was in Indiana (like I was trying to tell her for the previous 1/2 hr) she said no inspection was needed because I was out of state. I swear, it was like talking to a brick wall.


The MI statute I read indeed placed the responsibility on the Stocker to inspect a pond to ensure it did not have in/out flow, and if it did, to verify there was a permit before releasing any fish.

Michigan will change it's laws soon, once the restaurants and grocery stores begin to have empty shelves as the laws apply to "ALL fish and their parts", alive, dead, or processed.

Scott, MI told me I would have to pay the expenses for an inspection of "out of state facilities".



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Illinois is a real treat too. In Illinois fish destined for the table need to be tested for for the virus even though it doesn't effect humans. And of course tilapia are illegal to plant in ponds in Illinois which makes no sense whatsoever.

Right now I'm attempting to purchase a non-resident aquatics dealer's license so I can ship a couple of frozen fish to a taxidermist there. It's like pulling teeth as I have to do it on line and person I'm talking to insists I have a federal ID number to recieve a number so I can apply. I told her I'm a sole proprieter with no employees and don't need or have one. She said she would call me back 4 days ago. She indicated the person who was supposed to take care of this things has moved on and his position was never filled. I'm not holding my breath but my customer is getting anxious as he's already paid $125.00 for the two frozen fish.

So typical these days: people filling two or more positions to save a buck. Meanwhile service suffers.

Edit: Just got a call with a customer ID number to go on line and get the license. Now I can spend $100.00 for a $125.00 order! At least I will have more Illinois customers.

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Cecil, sole proprietors use a SSN in place of the FEIN(EIN). An EIN is also very easy to get. Just do an IRS web search and enter the info. There is no cost and it will have no impact on your taxes whether you file using the EIN or your SSN.



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And New York takes the cake. LMB have to be tested for whirling disease along with the trout, and trout have to be tested for LMB virus along with LMB. When asked by APHIS why NY was requiring testing species for viruses they were not susceptible to, the response was, "because we can."

Not long ago it was illegal to sell LMB to the Asian food market in NY even if they were verified to be farm raised. Finally that changed.


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Originally Posted By: Rainman
Cecil, sole proprietors use a SSN in place of the FEIN(EIN). An EIN is also very easy to get. Just do an IRS web search and enter the info. There is no cost and it will have no impact on your taxes whether you file using the EIN or your SSN.


Well they finally took my my SSN and my money. LOL I now have a permit!


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Originally Posted By: esshup
I was told that if a private pond does not have a permanent inflow or outflow, then no stocking permit was needed. If a private pond DID have a permanent inflow or outflow, then the pond owner had to apply AND receive a stocking permit before any fish could be stocked.

So I guess us fish guys also have to be the police and ask to see the stocking permit before stocking the fish?

There's a HUGE difference between aquaculture rules and pond stocking rules. Aquaculture rules are much stricter.

I talked to a person who's boss is Dr. Barr. They kept trying to tell me that I needed to have my facilities here inspected. It finally took me asking her. O.K. So when will a person be available to inspect my facility? When she asked for the address and found out that it was in Indiana (like I was trying to tell her for the previous 1/2 hr) she said no inspection was needed because I was out of state. I swear, it was like talking to a brick wall.


Like I said par for the course up there. Even resident fish farmers have fits with Michigan rules. John Nelski can give you an earful.


John is a colorful individual, as I have met him in person.

Don't base your experience in MI on this.

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Originally Posted By: esshup
I was told that if a private pond does not have a permanent inflow or outflow, then no stocking permit was needed. If a private pond DID have a permanent inflow or outflow, then the pond owner had to apply AND receive a stocking permit before any fish could be stocked.

So I guess us fish guys also have to be the police and ask to see the stocking permit before stocking the fish?

There's a HUGE difference between aquaculture rules and pond stocking rules. Aquaculture rules are much stricter.

I talked to a person who's boss is Dr. Barr. They kept trying to tell me that I needed to have my facilities here inspected. It finally took me asking her. O.K. So when will a person be available to inspect my facility? When she asked for the address and found out that it was in Indiana (like I was trying to tell her for the previous 1/2 hr) she said no inspection was needed because I was out of state. I swear, it was like talking to a brick wall.


Like I said par for the course up there. Even resident fish farmers have fits with Michigan rules. John Nelski can give you an earful.


John is a colorful individual, as I have met him in person.

Don't base your experience in MI on this.


True. Sometimes it just depends on who you have to deal with.

Did you know John is of Russian descent? I figured by the last name of Nelski it was Polish, but he says no.

Just had a customer with the last name of Schmidt. I said, "Oh German name eh?" He said it was Polish and was originally Schmidtski. Never heard of that one!

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