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I wish I lived closer to Bruce. So many questions......


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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The answers are only very, very slowly starting to come, my friend.


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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
I wish I lived closer to Bruce. So many questions......


Take a notebook when you do. Maybe two.

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Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Water temperature at Worm Gulch has been ranging from 41-44 degrees. smile


Finding something RES will readily eat at that those water temps is significant. cool



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It don't hurt to ask questions.

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Look at this tank.

http://www.plastic-mart.com/product/5816/110-gallon-cone-inductor-tank-fully-draining-infd110-30

Does it look like the entire top screws off, or does just that little mini lid screw off?


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Here's the drawing...still can't tell if that's two separate lids (small lid on top plus full diameter lid) or not..

http://www.plastic-mart.com/tech_drawings/ace/INFD110-30.pdf


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I realize I could just cut off the lid, but that seems like a waste. The cone bottom on these things is absolutely crucial for draining off solid waste, especially if you're feed training..i.e. the feed sinks to the bottom uneaten.


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I'm betting that the 12" vented lid is what's removeable, vs. the entire top.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Solid tank with the screw off access.

In feed training, you will want to keep as many particles of food suspended, and not flushed down the toilet.

You can use it, but doubt you will have much success.

I'll help anyway I can, but the choice is yours.

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...I'm not sure I getcha, JKB.

When I feed train sunfish, usually pellets do one of two things--they float, or they sink. True, some sink more slowly than others, but if they don't float, they end up on the bottom. Hungry lepomids like bluegill and redear sunfish will hit the pellets off the top if there's a good enough combination of hunger and temperature, but they will sip, spit and re-sip pellets on the way down. However, once the pellet's on the bottom, they won't ever pick it up. Ever.

Therefore, the conical tank is preferred so you can offload the uneaten pellet ASAP so it doesn't start to degrade and affect your water quality.

This would be a 2-4 times daily regimen until the sunfish have figured out the pellets so there is 100% consumption.

The other major factor is solid waste. Suspended wastes will be eliminated by filtering, biofiltering, and water replacement, but solid wastes will settle to the bottom, and can be easily removed with a cone-botomed tank. That's why it's an aquaculture standard. Usually these things are so labor intensive that you need quick ways to treat water.


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My vote is non-removable top, but a 12" dia screw off access lid.

I'd bet that if you made a cut *just* above the band, and made another cut *just* below the cut that you made, at the very top of the 2.25" dimension, you would be able to slip the top back over the top of the tank.

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Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
...I'm not sure I getcha, JKB.

When I feed train sunfish, usually pellets do one of two things--they float, or they sink. True, some sink more slowly than others, but if they don't float, they end up on the bottom. Hungry lepomids like bluegill and redear sunfish will hit the pellets off the top if there's a good enough combination of hunger and temperature, but they will sip, spit and re-sip pellets on the way down. However, once the pellet's on the bottom, they won't ever pick it up. Ever.

Therefore, the conical tank is preferred so you can offload the uneaten pellet ASAP so it doesn't start to degrade and affect your water quality.

This would be a 2-4 times daily regimen until the sunfish have figured out the pellets so there is 100% consumption.

The other major factor is solid waste. Suspended wastes will be eliminated by filtering, biofiltering, and water replacement, but solid wastes will settle to the bottom, and can be easily removed with a cone-botomed tank. That's why it's an aquaculture standard. Usually these things are so labor intensive that you need quick ways to treat water.


I would like to see where the cone bottom tanks you posted are an Aquaculture Standard, and please explain it!

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Originally Posted By: JKB

...please explain it!


LOL. laugh

Evidently I didn't do a very good job of explaining it the first time.

I'll try again to explain the value of an cone shaped aquaculture tank...

When I feed train sunfish, usually pellets do one of two things--they float, or they sink. True, some sink more slowly than others, but if they don't float, they end up on the bottom. Hungry lepomids like bluegill and redear sunfish will hit the pellets off the top if there's a good enough combination of hunger and temperature, but they will sip, spit and re-sip pellets on the way down. However, once the pellet's on the bottom, they won't ever pick it up. Ever.

Therefore, the conical tank is preferred so you can offload the uneaten pellet ASAP so it doesn't start to degrade and affect your water quality.

This would be a 2-4 times daily regimen until the sunfish have figured out the pellets so there is 100% consumption.

The other major factor is solid waste. Suspended wastes will be eliminated by filtering, biofiltering, and water replacement, but solid wastes will settle to the bottom, and can be easily removed with a cone-botomed tank. That's why it's an aquaculture standard. Usually these things are so labor intensive that you need quick ways to treat water.


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Originally Posted By: esshup
My vote is non-removable top, but a 12" dia screw off access lid.

I'd bet that if you made a cut *just* above the band, and made another cut *just* below the cut that you made, at the very top of the 2.25" dimension, you would be able to slip the top back over the top of the tank.


Excellent idea! I actually get it.


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You are not really serious about this. Kinda like a joke, eh!

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Originally Posted By: JKB
You are not really serious about this. Kinda like a joke, eh!


No, I'm dead serious.

Do you think I'm botching it that badly that you think it's a joke?


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YES! and for fear of getting booted of the site, I will still say YES!

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Originally Posted By: JKB
You are not really serious about this. Kinda like a joke, eh!


Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Do you think I'm botching it that badly that you think it's a joke?


Originally Posted By: JKB
YES! and for fear of getting booted of the site, I will still say YES!


You won't get booted from the site! laugh That's one of the reasons this is such a great place. Plenty of room for disagreement. You're not the first person to think I'm an idiot.

So..what would be your approach to raising redear sunfish indoors? And how would you fix some of my screwups?


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Bruce, I like the sound of this. Any new ideas concerning water circulation and filtration?
I think I'll try something like that this year...


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I have to constantly remind myself the importance of acknowledging that we have very few answers and a whole lot to learn. An open mind is essential. That means thinking outside the box that is created in ones mind. Go for it Bruce - I bet the pics will tell the story.
















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Bruce, IMO what you are doing with the conical bottom makes all the sense in the world.

I currently have an aquarium with pellet trained WE in it. I wish the bottom was conical, and had a drain in it, as it would save me from siphoning debris from the bottom and hauling buckets of water to the aquarium a few times a week.

Go with your hunch, and dont let others cause you to second guess yourself!

You did not become "MR. BLUGILL" from listening to people say "That wont work"!

My only input, is if you do buy the taller tank with the screw off lid and you cut the top off of it, I would use strapping of sorts around the tank to stabilize rigidity.

Popping popcorn and watching closely!

I just re=read what Esshup said about cutting the top....THUMBS UP!

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