Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
Shotgun01, Dan H, Stipker, LunkerHunt23, Jeanjules
18,451 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics40,901
Posts557,100
Members18,452
Most Online3,612
Jan 10th, 2023
Top Posters
esshup 28,417
ewest 21,475
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 15,110
Who's Online Now
12 members (FishinRod, esshup, PRCS, Boondoggle, Layne, Dylanfrely, nvcdl, H20fwler, Bing, Fishingadventure, Angler8689, Sunil), 702 guests, and 194 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 13 of 15 1 2 11 12 13 14 15
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,435
R
Ambassador
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Ambassador
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
R
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,435
Bruce, BSF would probably work for about 4 months a year. Will RES eat them?


Just do it...
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: rmedgar
Bruce, BSF would probably work for about 4 months a year. Will RES eat them?


I'm using freeze-dried BSF currently. Once hydrated, the redears will bang away at them, but spit a lot out. I'm determined to incorporate BSF, but evidently the dried ones are an acquired taste.


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,979
Likes: 14
S
Ambassador
Lunker
Offline
Ambassador
Lunker
S
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,979
Likes: 14
Will they eat waxworms?


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 5,712
Likes: 3
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 5,712
Likes: 3
Are we talking Black Soldier Flies???


Subscribe to Pond Boss Magazine

Peculiar Friends are Better than No Friends at All!
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Yes


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
...and yes.


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: ewest
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1


My 200 YP YOY in less than 200 gallons of water are now pushing 10 inches. Not sure one would even get that in a pond.

Higher water temps also make the fish hungrier and more apt to feed train.



Cecil post pics of those YP if possible.

Each fish species has a temp range from low terminal to high terminal. Within that range feeding and growth max at different points but not anywhere near either lethal extreme. To a point within that optimum range feeding activity is usually a little higher just below the max growth rate point which is well below thermal max. So higher water temps are good but only so far.

Cecil I know you know the above so it is intended for others who may not know about fish being cold blooded and how their growth , feeding and metabolism work.


So your point is Bruce is trying to grow his redears in lower water temps to outlive us all? grin

Sorry couldn't resist.

My perch are grown out in 75 to 77 F. water btw.

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/25/13 08:18 AM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
J
JKB Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
Bruce,

Keep tabs on what's happening between the two tanks. One being plastic and the other being galvanized.



Generally, one would want to coat the inside of a galvanized tank with an epoxy, or like material, to avoid the potential for Zinc poisoning.

If all you're doing is changing out a bit of water every day, with no real filtration, get a cheap TDS meter.

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
From what I have read galvanized may not be a problem in medium ph water that is not too acidic or alkaline but it's said not to take a chance.

Come to think of it the fish do seem to have a shinny galvanized sheen to them. grin

From my experience with galvanized tanks and epoxy though (even with acid etching etc.) the epoxy eventually deteriorates somewhere and allows water underneath it. You're better off sticking with plastic or fiberglass if you have a choice.

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/25/13 08:18 AM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Do you guys really think the zinc could kill my fish? Do you think my water exchange rate affects that? How would I know if problems are developing?


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
I could have no effect, slowly leech and be a stressor, or kill them. Hard do to say as it depends on your water chemistry. Most aquaculture sources say to stay away from it or coat it with something. Many sources say not to even use zinc in small fittings.

What is your PH?

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/26/13 05:24 PM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Crap. Well, so far, after about five weeks the fish are feeding VERY vigorously. I hope that's a good indicator.


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,979
Likes: 14
S
Ambassador
Lunker
Offline
Ambassador
Lunker
S
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,979
Likes: 14
I know next to nothing about aquaculture, but I think your stated goal of total water replacement every two weeks would surely help reduce, if not eliminate, any potential health issues due to exposure to zinc?


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
That's what I'm hoping, but it's sure got me on guard looking for signs of toxicity.


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
J
JKB Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
That's what I'm hoping, but it's sure got me on guard looking for signs of toxicity.


Hard to tell from the pics, but your tank may have oxidized a bit, thus creating a patina on the surface. Don't brush that off!!!

The main reason that Aquaculturalist don't use galvanized tanks, is because ya should be cleaning them from time to time to get results, and a scrubbing could easily release the oxidized material into the water that your filtration could never eliminate.

You don't have a filtration system, but you would have to be on the fine micron level and hope it hasn't gone dissolved.

Just don't disrupt the inside tank surface, like you would do a root scaling, or even brushing your teeth.

Difficult to post stuff sometimes.

I'm going to Walmart and watch the people wink laugh

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Crap. Well, so far, after about five weeks the fish are feeding VERY vigorously. I hope that's a good indicator.


You're probably fine then.

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/26/13 09:08 PM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: JKB


The main reason that Aquaculturalist don't use galvanized tanks, is because ya should be cleaning them from time to time to get results, and a scrubbing could easily release the oxidized material into the water that your filtration could never eliminate.

laugh


Phil,

Ya know there is no cleaning from time to time with dual flow bottom and side drain self cleaning circular tanks. grin

Have fun at Wally World. I stopped shopping there after my sibling started working there. The Walmart family owns 40 percent of the nation's wealth but employees can't get more than 32 hours a week and qualify for food stamps.

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/26/13 07:26 PM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
J
JKB Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Originally Posted By: JKB


The main reason that Aquaculturalist don't use galvanized tanks, is because ya should be cleaning them from time to time to get results, and a scrubbing could easily release the oxidized material into the water that your filtration could never eliminate.

laugh


Phil,

Ya know there is no cleaning from time to time with dual flow bottom and side drain self cleaning circular tanks. grin

Have fun at Wally World. I stopped shopping there after my sibling started working there. The Walmart family owns 40 percent of the nation's wealth but employees can't get more than 32 hours a week and qualify for food stamps.


There is always cleaning, and that crap your talking about ain't worth 2 cent's wink grin

I need to get to Walmart before all the electric rigs are taken up! My neighbor said, all ya have to do to get one of the fancy rigs is to just jump on one and take off. No need for handicapped credentials laugh

Just kidding tho. I do have to pick up something they have a good sale on.

Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Here's my current assessment of the palatability of various items.

On a 1 to 10 scale based on how agressively the fish eat.

Nightcrawlers: 9
Red wigglers: 9
Dried black soldier fly larvae: 2
Frozen blood worms: 10+++
Pellets: 5 (but better as the water warms)
Fathead minnows: 1


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: JKB
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
[quote=JKB]

The main reason that Aquaculturalist don't use galvanized tanks, is because ya should be cleaning them from time to time to get results, and a scrubbing could easily release the oxidized material into the water that your filtration could never eliminate.

laugh


Phil,

Ya know there is no cleaning from time to time with dual flow bottom and side drain self cleaning circular tanks. grin



Riiiiight. grin

Actually you do know all the surfaces in a recirc system are places for autothropic bacteria to grow on right? I saw one figure that said up to 30 percent of the surface area for it to grow on is on tank surfaces. So you don't want to clean too well. wink That's a common mistake for aquarium newbies.

I also find messing with the tanks stresses the fish.

It's amazing how clean my circular tanks are with the bottom drain and fish swimming around to move solids to the bottom drain. One pull of the slide valve on the external stand pipe and it's out of there! Just like a toilet! Of course my trout tanks will have continuous flow out of the bottom drain.

My trout large trout tanks will have a bottom center drain that will flow via gravity continuously about 10 to 20 percent of the flow to a parabolic sieve filter to get the larger solids out of the system almost immediately, instead of sitting their polluting the water. The side drain will also go to the parabolic sieve filter. Then the flow will to a rotary drum filter and on to my low head rbc's. After that it's a sump tank with airlift tubes and a foam fractionator and back to the tanks via tpr's (tangential point returns).

All DIY except for the rotary drum filter and sieve filter. Tanks will be low cost Intex pools.

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/26/13 09:35 PM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 20,043
Likes: 1
Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Here's my current assessment of the palatability of various items.

On a 1 to 10 scale based on how agressively the fish eat.

Nightcrawlers: 9
Red wigglers: 9
Dried black soldier fly larvae: 2
Frozen blood worms: 10+++
Pellets: 5 (but better as the water warms)
Fathead minnows: 1


Yeah keep that water warm. That's one of the secrets of feed training fish.

Wow those bloodworms must be something else!

Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 11/26/13 08:54 PM.

If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
J
JKB Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
Offline
Hall of Fame 2015
Lunker
J
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,692
Just got back and all the electric rigs were spoken for, crap!

Neighbor was outside and said my timing was way off mad

I did pick up some Bacon Flavored Spam that was on sale tho. The gal at the register wondered if I like that stuff? Said, don't know? We'll find out when there's no food left laugh

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 36
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 36
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Wow those bloodworms must be something else!


RES absolutly love freshly thawed bloodworms!

Likeabilty with fathead minnows is all about size, the smaller "pet shop" minnows are much more likeable than the slightly larger small "bait shop" minnows. My 7" aquarium RES show a very strong preference for minnows under 1-3/4" in length. wink



Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
OP Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,854
Likes: 1
You're absolutely right about the size of the fathead minnows being the primary factor. Redears will not beat up a minnow to eat it. It has to be quick and easy. Bluegill will just pound them into submission.


Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 475
J
Offline
J
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 475
Bruce, from the look of all the psychedelic lights in your fish room, I think it may be a good idea to do a random drug testing also! Please don't tell me you have continuous Hendrix and Joplin playing in the background!


Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer.
Page 13 of 15 1 2 11 12 13 14 15

Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
Bob Lusk, GaryK, GrizzFan, PhotographerDave
Recent Posts
Relative weight charts in Excel ? Calculations?
by Boondoggle - 03/28/24 06:45 PM
Working on a .5acre disaster, I mean pond.
by PRCS - 03/28/24 06:39 PM
Fungus infection on fish
by nvcdl - 03/28/24 06:07 PM
Can anyone ID these minnows?
by Dylanfrely - 03/28/24 05:43 PM
1 year after stocking question
by esshup - 03/28/24 04:48 PM
Yellow Perch Spawn 2024
by H20fwler - 03/28/24 04:29 PM
New 2 acre pond stocking plan
by LANGSTER - 03/28/24 03:49 PM
Happy Birthday Bob Lusk!!
by ewest - 03/28/24 03:37 PM
Paper-shell crayfish and Japanese snails
by esshup - 03/28/24 10:39 AM
Brooder Shiners and Fry, What to do??
by Freg - 03/28/24 09:42 AM
Dewatering bags seeded to form berms?
by Justin W - 03/28/24 08:19 AM
Newly Uploaded Images
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
by Tbar, December 10
Deer at Theo's 2023
Deer at Theo's 2023
by Theo Gallus, November 13
Minnow identification
Minnow identification
by Mike Troyer, October 6
Sharing the Food
Sharing the Food
by FishinRod, September 9
Nice BGxRES
Nice BGxRES
by Theo Gallus, July 28
Snake Identification
Snake Identification
by Rangersedge, July 12

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5