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#352538 - 10/01/13 02:44 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: benji havens]
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Originally Posted By: benji havens
What you use to kill those cat tails?


Send a private message to Esshup. I used his recipe. He can give you some details and he also sells the corresponding products smile


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#352554 - 10/01/13 04:15 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: ewest]
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Originally Posted By: ewest
Harvest the fish in the range that is over represented and concentrate on the fish that look skinny. Leave those in the best condition. Keep in mind that RW has some large swings over the year in its merit. Just after the spawn and near the end of a long summer LMB will show marked condition reductions.

Those LMB look good.

BTW nice work on the data collection.


Thank you!

So I should cull all fish with poor RWs (or those that don't pass the eyeball test)? What is the total weight of LMB that I should pull per year to stay ahead of them?


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#352588 - 10/01/13 09:31 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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Cull from the size group that is over the limits set by Anderson (crowded group) first and take out all that seem in less than ideal condition. Then cull a few from the other class sizes and make all of those be fish in poor condition. I can use the eyeball test to pick them out. With a little experience the eyeball test is close to what RW will show.

I would shoot for 20 lbs per acre while watching RW and condition to adjust that number.
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#352608 - 10/02/13 05:11 AM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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The old rule of thumb is to cull anything that is 13 inches and under. Of course, some will just look like they are over achievers. I keep those.
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#353427 - 10/09/13 07:40 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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Thanks, Dave.

I would love to add some RES to the pond. The fish we ate were pretty grub-infested. Maybe I could cage some next spring and feed them out?

Also, should I consider adding BG now that the LMB seem to have been knocked down?
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#353460 - 10/10/13 06:15 AM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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The bass may seem to have been knocked down but there will be plenty left to eat stocker sized BG. If I were going to try to raise fish in cages, I would try both BG and RES.
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#353461 - 10/10/13 06:38 AM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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I would first try to buy 5 inch+ RES if I could find them. Unless the RES are feed trained I would skip the cages (would try a blocking net that allows the RES to forage on natural food). I would habituate any fish that was not big enough to avoid predation for at least 3 hours before releasing it into the pond free-for-all either in a blocking net or cage.
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#353487 - 10/10/13 01:42 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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Thanks, guys. How many of each?
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#362455 - 01/10/14 02:37 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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Cool thread. I am impressed with how quickly the ecosystem responds to the fish removal.

Is there any CC left? No data on these?

I am interested to see how spring '14 looks!

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#362465 - 01/10/14 04:05 PM Re: Help with proportional size distribution [Re: Bocomo]
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Re: catfish

I haven't caught a single one, but then again I haven't tried very hard to catch them. I have only gone fishing for catfish once since I started this thread, and even then I only used stinkbait. I might try again in the spring with chicken liver or any of the other techniques listed above.
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#366376 - 02/16/14 03:50 PM Rolling the dice [Re: Bocomo]
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Take a 30-year-old pond, add the coldest winter in 50 years and extended snow cover. Let sit for 6 weeks.
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#369013 - 03/16/14 12:19 AM Re: Rolling the dice [Re: Bocomo]
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We have escaped the long winter without a major fish kill!! The visible victims include a thirty-year-old, 38.5" carp, three LMB, and two BG. Not nearly as bad as I'd feared.



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#369016 - 03/16/14 12:38 AM Re: Rolling the dice [Re: Bocomo]
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Just curious Bocomo, did you keep the snow off the ice in "AREAS" several times this winter? I did but older fish stress out easily also.

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#369104 - 03/16/14 07:17 PM Re: Rolling the dice [Re: Bocomo]
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We did not do anything to help out. The area is constantly windy and so had snow-free ice until we had a warm day immediately after the snowstorm. From 2/7 to 3/12 or so the pond was frozen over and under heavy snow cover.
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#369352 - 03/18/14 11:01 PM Ice out 2014 [Re: Bocomo]
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#369364 - 03/19/14 12:58 AM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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I shoveled areas off my pond maybe 4 to 5 times this winter. Haven't found a dead fish yet. But I'm going to try a 50 yard field goal with one of these geese if I can get someone to hold it for me wink laugh laugh.

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#369366 - 03/19/14 01:22 AM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: hang_loose]
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I shoveled areas off my pond maybe 4 to 5 times this winter. Haven't found a dead fish yet. But I'm going to try a 50 yard field goal with one of these geese if I can get someone to hold it for me wink laugh laugh.


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#369451 - 03/19/14 07:42 PM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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On the bench... Never knew kicking field goals was so hard on your back grin.

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#379060 - 06/07/14 01:08 PM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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I just found this thread. Bocomo, we don't live very far from you. We are just off 63 north of Columba (Sturgeon outskirts). Do you have any problems with pondweed in your pond? We are not too concerned with our fish but we are concerned that pondweed has decided to call our pond home.

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#380249 - 06/21/14 12:29 PM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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Hi there, neighbor.

We do get some APW in July-August after the filamentous algae dies back a bit. It hasn't been a nuisance to date. If yours is a problem, I'm sure Pond Bossers could dig up a recommended product and application method.
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#410149 - 05/04/15 04:30 PM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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You guys were talking about ways to get some holes in your ice. This could be especially useful for ice that you can't walk on and you could add some rockpiles to your pond and have a ton of fun at the same time.

Its just a thought LOL.

I have gone to this event in Delaware a few times and its pretty amazing! Just use big rocks instead of pumpkins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC6RJxFEMfY

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#410163 - 05/04/15 06:38 PM Re: New member, old pond: water, algae, etc. [Re: Bocomo]
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LOL

That thing is awesome! File under "Hold My Beer"
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#413153 - 05/28/15 03:27 PM Finally got out to fish for a while [Re: Bocomo]
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We had a big party at the farmhouse over Memorial Day Weekend. I finally got a chance to put a few fish in the boat. We culled 6# of fish, all of which were under 14".

The RW is about the same as Fall 2013, which isn't too bad considering all of the fish in this year's survey are post-spawn.

What's a good RW to cull? Keep in mind that we don't supplement with feed. Right now we're culling everything under 14" but we don't have a good feel for RW cutoff. Should we take everything 75% RW or lower?







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#413158 - 05/28/15 04:16 PM Re: Finally got out to fish for a while [Re: Bocomo]
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Nice pictures.

We will cull every bass with RW 100% and lower. Right now the lowest LMB RW is 110% so no removal has been necessary.

What are your goals for your LMB? I would think anything 90% RW and under would be a candidate for removal.

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#413161 - 05/28/15 04:39 PM Re: Finally got out to fish for a while [Re: basslover]
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Originally Posted By: basslover
Nice pictures.

We will cull every bass with RW 100% and lower. Right now the lowest LMB RW is 110% so no removal has been necessary.

What are your goals for your LMB? I would think anything 90% RW and under would be a candidate for removal.


We are prioritizing large LMB. I was a bit worried about removing fish immediately post-spawn. How much weight does a fish typically lose during that period?
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