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#347331 - 08/14/13 03:02 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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OK, I have a local line on the FHM now, so they should be swimming soon.

I was thinking about adding 75 RES this fall as well. I think I found some in the 3-4" range. Is that enough based on my other plans down the road?
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#347352 - 08/14/13 04:58 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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It is good to give the RES a head start since they tend to struggle with bass present. 75 is a good start and I would add another 75-100 (2"-4") to result in 150/ac total when you add the SMB. You could even add enough RES for a total of 200/ac when finished stocking. RES are very rarely a problem fish.


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#347356 - 08/14/13 05:12 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Bocomo]
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You can stock FHM in 10" of water let alone 10'!


The Great Blue Herons prefer under 2 feet. grin
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#347946 - 08/19/13 02:16 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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You can stock FHM in 10" of water let alone 10'!


The Great Blue Herons prefer under 2 feet. grin


Had the first visit from a White heron today...


I have it setup to get my RES and FHM this week, but I'm still looking for GSH. Any SE MI or NW Ohio fisheries that have a good stock of them?

I was going to wait a month or so on the RES, but the supplier (Finfarm) said it should be fine to stock them now. I figured that saves me a drive and gets them in the pond.
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#347951 - 08/19/13 02:31 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Might be okay to stock them now, but check with one of the PBF experts first. Fish farms want to sell fish.
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#347959 - 08/19/13 03:02 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Try Imlay City Fish Farms, Imlay City, MI, they are your local supplier.


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#348008 - 08/19/13 09:04 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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If you can get the RES now, I wouldn't sweat stocking them.
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#348610 - 08/24/13 10:29 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Well I Made The Trip Down To finfarm Today And I Now Have 75 Res And 10 Lbs Of Fhm In The Pond.

They Looked Pretty Strong When They Swam Away. Should I Feed Them At All? I Have Only Had Water In The Pond For Two Weeks.
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#348613 - 08/24/13 10:45 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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I would put out some limited feed around the shore where you see FH. It will help some. Just about any floating fish food would work for FH.


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#348616 - 08/24/13 10:58 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Try grinding or crushing several handfuls of pellets. Scatter some or 1/2 handful each day in the same area same time. After several days you should see some activity of minnows feeding. Did he say if the RES were pellet trained or not? Sometimes his RES are somewhat or feebly pellet trained.
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#348625 - 08/25/13 08:40 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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My kids Talked Me Into A Bag Of Food, So I'll go Ahead And Feed Them In The Evening.

I Asked If The RES Would Eat The Feed And The Kid Helping Me Out Said They Would, But I Didn't Specifically Ask If They Had Been Feed Trained.

sorry For The CAPS, I Can't Change It When I Post From My Phone.
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#348629 - 08/25/13 10:15 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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FinFarm has contact info on their website. Try emailing them and ask if the size of RES that you bought on Aug 24 were pellet trained? The owner should be responding to the FFarm emails. Let's see what kind of response you get, if any?

It may take several days for the fatheads to figure out when and where you are adding the food. Some of the finest crushed food will float for several feet before sinking. Minnows often search the surface waters for food and may fairly quickly figure out the feeding pattern. If RES were used to eating pellet food they will soon follow the lead of the minnows.


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#349031 - 08/28/13 09:28 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Well, No Response From My email...

On A Good Note, Tonight I Did See What My Kids Described AS Swimming Eye Balls... After searching Google, They Definitely Look Like FHM Eggs I Saw In Pics. iT Didn't Take Them Long To Spawn If That's The Case.
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#352629 - 10/02/13 09:42 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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OK - I am going to pick up the YP and RES in the next couple weeks for a pond stocked with FHM and GSH this spring. Lots of fry but not many submerged or emergent plants yet. The pond is about an acre in size. I was considering just stocking about 20 of each of these species depending on cost and size. If I also stocked 20 SMB at the same time would that present a problem ( would 10 be better to allow the other species to establish). I am not in a hurry and my eventual goal is trophy SMB. I have not added crayfish yet so that the water lilies can establish, but some have already shown up on their own. I hope to pile bricks on the Ice this winter (I have access to free bricks) in 2-3' of water for crayfish habitat. Any feedback on the plan is appreciated. Again, I just want to get the population going and am not in a hurry. I just want big SMB, not necessarily a lot of them.

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#352644 - 10/02/13 10:56 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: RAH]
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With stocking that light of a forage base (YP and RES) I wouldn't stock any SMB at this time. What size YP and RES are you stocking? Why such a light number instead of 200 each?
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#352649 - 10/02/13 11:08 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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You suggest 200 each of RE and YP, and wait until next fall to get the SMB?

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#352681 - 10/02/13 01:46 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: RAH]
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No, just used that number to see if you forgot a zero on the end of the 20 figure.
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#352689 - 10/02/13 02:09 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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No, I just want enough to have a good chance of getting a population going for each species. Not sure if so few will find each other to breed.

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#352692 - 10/02/13 02:42 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: RAH]
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RAH, I'd make LOTS of piles of bricks for crayfish habitat.

YP - check with your supplier as to what sized YP are available. If they can supply large sized YP (8+" or so) I'd stock 50-75 of them. The larger ones have a higher probability of being female, and there should be a few males with good genetics mixed in. Then in the Spring they'd pull off a spawn. I'd look at stocking 100-200 4"-6" RES this Fall if they are available. Then next Spring, stock 75 2"-4" SMB.

Make sure you have habitat for the YP to spawn on in the pond.

If you stocked smaller YP this Fall, I'd bet the majority of them will be males or slower growing females. Stocking small fingerling SMB at this time of the year equates to stocking slow growing fish - whether due to genetics or restricted food intake.

RES, if the larger ones aren't available, get whatever you can, because they aren't the easiest fish to source. (they aren't the hardest either.....)

You can stock more YP/RES, it all depends on your budget.
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#352695 - 10/02/13 02:50 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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I though that I remember it being hard to get smb in spring. Am I mistaken?

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#352696 - 10/02/13 02:52 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: RAH]
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I usually have no problem getting them from Laggis in Mi. Feed trained to boot.
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#352706 - 10/02/13 03:44 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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I will try to get larger YP, but will likely buy a lot less and maybe wait longer to stock SMB (or stock very few SMB as breeders, maybe only 10).

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#352724 - 10/02/13 09:06 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Stock SMB in fall after YP spawn once. Using feed trained SMB will result in larger SMB quicker. Stock 15 to 25 panfish to every SMB. SMB can be hard to source in spring based on location. Laggis usually has feed trained YP especially in spring.
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#353137 - 10/07/13 11:31 AM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Before I place my fall stocking order, I just wanted to double check to make sure my quantities are good. Already stocked 10#'s FHM and 75 RES a couple months ago.

I'm planning on stocking 4#'s or ~668 of 2 1/2" GSH and 200 Papershell Crayfish.

I think I'm just going to mail order both of them instead of running around to find them since spare time is short for the next few weeks...
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#353194 - 10/07/13 07:24 PM Re: SMB/YP/RES in one acre dug pond [Re: Huntmaster]
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Sounds good to me...
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