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Well, its happened again. I went through something similar in january of this year and it seems like im going to lose all my fish again.

Im guessing its golden algae or had someone tell me they think it could be mustard algae? Does anyone have a quick fix to help salvage what i have left.

Im on a 1/3 acre pond stocked 40 HSB, 500 CNBG, and a few hundred tilapia in the spring. They have all done great, spawned and been growing very well. My HSB went from about 4' to over a pound really quick and have been a blast to catch.

Anyways, this weekend we had some cooler weather for the first time this year where it dropped down to the 40's and then shot back up to 90 as usual. Seemed like that might have triggered the bloom as I went out yesterday and had about a dozen cnbg floating.

I went back out this morning and collected prob anther 60 fish, mostly cnbg and some smaller tilapia. The hsb havent actually died yet, but they are all skimming the surface slowly, and I can reach out and grab them with no issues.

I have a nice aerator I had installed this spring as I though that was the issue last time around and it has ran 24 hrs without a hiccup since i installed it.

The water is a def a yellow tint and the bloom is obvious but there is no surface algae just murky water basically and some moss like substance on the bottom which isnt uncommon.

Im on well water which was tested before we restocked and I have been pumping fresh water in since I noticed the problems.

Anyways, Im extremely depressed right now as you can imagine and was just wondering if there is anything that can be done at this point to save my fish, or what is left. Im not real optimistic on what Im going to see when I get home from work.

Also wanted to note the HSB I pulled out was very pale and really had like a pinkish tail and lips, if that helps identify anything,

anyways, thanks for listening and shoot me a reply if you have any quick advice. Ive got a couple water samples headed to overton right now to verify the algae, but doubt my fish last much longer

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Brandon, I'm so sorry to hear of the second fish-kill, as one is bad enough!

I'll be anxious to see what the experts have to say to why it's happening and hopefully prevent that from EVER happening to you again!

I certainly wish you the best!


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Could I drop a couple bales of coastal hay in? I read where barley may help but don't have any, or is that more preventative than cure?

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If it's golden algae, barley MIGHT help. I recall a post here a couple of years ago from a guy around Wichita Falls who used it on a 20+ acre pond and had the only fish in the area. I would try it but have no idea how much or where to get it.


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Is there anything else I can try, I'm up for anything, lost another 50 or so this evening

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You need to id the cause/problem. If its low DO from a fall turnover that is one thing. If its an algae that produces toxins then its another thing. Are there reports of golden algae in your area ?
















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What area of Texas? Closest city?


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It definitely sounds like Golden Algae, with out a doubt!

As we come into the cooler months we enter the season where Golden Algae (Prymnesium parvum) can start to become a problem again.

The perfect scenario for this “pest” is a salinity range from 0.1-10.0%, higher pH ranges but can grow in as low as 5.8, generally likes high light environments, but can do just fine in complete darkness, prefers clean environments (low nitrogen and phosphate) due to lack of nutrients allowing for lower competition for space and food source (can graze on bacteria heterotrophically). It has a VERY large range of tolerance for multiple parameters, which makes it a pain to deal with.

Possible indications would include (but are not limited to) a slight golden hue to the water which may show up in the color test I do here at the lab, results of our lab tests indicating excellent water quality (possibly with slightly elevated conductivity and chloride levels), low algae and plant populations in the body of water, and fish loss for no apparent reason. We DO NOT run a test here at the corporate office to identify this species, or any other algae.

This algae generally has a 4-6 week bloom, and can bloom 2-3 times in the same body of water in a season, which can be devastating to fish populations. There is no known health threat to humans. It is not the algae itself, but a byproduct of its metabolism, that is toxic to the fish.


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Not sure if this will help you but here is what TPWD has to say what they do to control the Golden Algae.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwater/water/environconcerns/hab/habwork/papers/pp_management.phtml

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im in midland, tx

i think its pretty much zapped them all at this point, i tossed in some carbon sulfate just for kicks to see if it would help. But picked up another 60 or so fish this morning before i left for work. Its really depressing to see all that hard work get tossed away, but what really has me down is the possibility of not being able to stock fish again, this is twice now and not sure I can afford to keep killing fish, lol

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What if you fertilized and kept a nice planktonic algae bloom all year.... Since golden algae likes clear water with low nutrients, perhaps creating an opposite environment would keep it under control.


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Sue,

You mention that Golden algae likes clear water and low nutrients? So are all ponds subject to this Golden Algae maybe if the pond is clear and the nutrients are low??? Or is this other factors at play here?

bigharge

Man I am sorry for your loss again dude! That would make me sick to see that again!! Maybe Sue has the right answer keep your pond full of plantonic algae and maybe it wouldn't have a chance to do what it's doing...

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Thought I would post this. This is quite informative about this Golden Alga as they refer to it. This is some bad stuff!!


What is golden alga and how does it kill fish?

The golden alga, Prymnesium parvum, is a tiny, one-celled aquatic organism about the size of a human blood cell. The alga is motile with two “tails” called flagella that help it to move through the water in lakes and ponds. A single drop of lake water may contain well over 2,000 cells of golden alga. Biologists suspect that golden alga is relatively new to Arizona and they consider it a nuisance invasive species.
Golden alga releases unique toxins that affect gill-breathing aquatic organisms (mainly fish and clams). The alga is a rapid growing and resilient algae species, out-competing other algae for nutrients and thriving in a wide variety of environmental conditions. In a bloom situation (a bloom is an explosive increase in the population of one or several species of algae), enough toxins are released into the water to kill fish and other gill breathers that come in contact with it. The toxins cause fish gills to bleed internally, and lose their ability to exchange water and absorb oxygen. Fish then die of asphyxiation (lack of oxygen).

Golden alga toxins have no apparent lethal or harmful effects on animals that do not breathe through gills. The impacts to fish populations vary and are most often temporary. Algae blooms may last for days or weeks. Blooms may occur a couple times a year, or not at all in some years. The environmental conditions that support golden alga are broad, and little is known about the specific and complex conditions that allow it to gain a competitive edge over other species, or about what causes a "bloom" that results in fish kills.

According to reports from other states and recent trends in Arizona, the majority of golden alga fish kills occur during the winter and spring months when water temperatures range from 55-80 degrees Fahrenheit. Winter conditions are not favorable for other, common kinds of beneficial algae normally found in our inland waters, which likely gives the golden alga a competitive edge.

Generally speaking, golden alga also prefers more saline waters, which may also help a bloom get started. Although factors such as water temperature and salinity are somewhat helpful in predicting lake conditions suitable for golden alga, there are also many documented exceptions in Arizona and other states.

Is it harmful to humans, pets or other animals?
Golden alga blooms are not a public health threat. The golden alga produces a unique toxin that damages gill functions and causes fish to suffocate because they can’t obtain oxygen from the water. The algal toxins are only harmful to gill-breathing organisms such as fish and clams.

Arizona Department of Health Service officials have stated that human health is not affected by exposure to golden alga or their toxins. Studies indicate the toxins are not passed through the food chain or absorbed into the flesh of fish. Consequently, healthy fish caught from infested waters are safe to eat. Still, people should exercise common sense: do not pick up or eat dead or dying fish.

Cattle and other animals have been observed drinking from rivers during ongoing golden alga fish kills in Texas with no apparent adverse effects. The bottom line: golden alga blooms are harmful to animals (fish and clams) with gills, but the alga and their toxins don’t harm animals or people.

Where does it occur?
Golden alga was first identified in Arizona in April 2005. To date, golden alga has been confirmed in various public and private waters in the greater Phoenix area and in three reservoirs on the Tonto National Forest.

Four Urban Fishing Program waters have been infested: Water Ranch Lake (Gilbert), and Alvord Lake at Cesar Chavez Park, Cortez Lake and Desert West Lake in Phoenix. It has been found in Saguaro Lake, Canyon Lake and Apache Lake.

Golden alga was first discovered in the United States in Texas in 1985. Since then, it has caused fish kills in five major river systems and over 25 lakes or reservoirs in Texas. Texas officials have estimated the direct economic loss of over 18 million fish due to golden alga as $7 million. This toxin producing algae has now been documented from 12 states ranging from North Carolina to Georgia to Wyoming to Arizona.

How can it spread?
Nobody knows with certainty how golden alga is spread from one body of water to another or how it was spread into Arizona. It may travel along river or canal pathways, or by businesses trucking products in water. Water birds such as ducks, geese, herons and cormorants, or humans transporting water in live wells, bilge tanks, minnow buckets or wet clothing or equipment, may spread golden alga. Also, the resting cyst stage of golden alga can reside in dried lake sediments and potentially be dispersed by strong winds.

What are the signs of a golden alga bloom?
Water Appearance: When golden alga becomes more abundant during a bloom cycle in a lake, the water begins to turn yellowish, yellowish-copper or a brownish, tea color. Another sign is foaming at the surface of the water in areas where there is a lot of wave action or water is agitated or stirred up. However, these conditions can also come from other sources, and do not always indicate a golden alga bloom. Additionally, golden alga has proven to be toxic in waters where these visual conditions have not been readily apparent.

Dying or affected fish: Fish exposed to golden alga toxins may swim slowly or erratically just below the surface, lie listlessly along the bottom in shallow areas, or show no normal avoidance to human disturbance or presence.

The toxin affects gill-breathing fish and clams by disrupting the uptake of oxygen across the gills. In the later stages, fish will act as if there is no oxygen in the water. Fish will seek areas with no toxicity or lower toxicity. If clean water flows into a lake, fish will often concentrate in these areas.

Visible signs of exposure to the toxins include redness or hemorrhaging at the base of fins, around the mouth area, under the chin, and along the belly of fish. After prolonged exposure, there is blood loss from broken capillaries (hemorrhaging) of the gills, resulting in a pink or pale red appearance to the gills.

Can fish escape a toxic golden alga bloom?
Yes, they can escape a localized bloom in a lake if there is a nearby toxin-free area. Early effects of the toxin are reversible if the fish can swim to a toxin-free area or an area of low toxicity.

In a larger reservoir or lake with a complex shoreline and varied depths, all of the fish may not be killed during a bloom, although there may be individual coves where significant mortality occurs as the fish become cut off from the main part of the lake by the bloom. In a small pond or lagoon, however, many or all of the fish present may be killed if a bloom is not promptly treated and is allowed to spread across the entire water body.

What are the ecological and economic impacts?
It is too early to tell at this time what the impacts may be in Arizona. Potentially, the negative impacts may be significant at a particular water, especially in larger lakes and reservoirs. While golden alga toxins can affect all species and sizes of fish, most of the fish killed at Saguaro, Canyon and Apache lakes have been a 2-6 inch forage fish, threadfin shad. These fish grow quickly and lay many eggs for rapid reproduction. Because of this, a reservoir can recover, even from a massive fish kill, if the waterbody has ample time between fish kills. However, forage fish do form the basis of the food chain and on-going fish kills may harm larger game fish in two ways, directly by toxicity and indirectly by reduced food supply. Most fish kills, however, do not continually affect the entire lake and different parts of the lake may continue to support excellent fishing.

Smaller, more intensely managed urban lakes can be treated with chemical algaecides, and fish can be replaced by restocking. To maintain their fish populations and control golden alga, lake owners must increase their operating budgets to cover costs associated with lake monitoring and testing, algaecide treatments, and the purchase of replacement fish.

Where else can I read about golden alga?
The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department provides information on this problem to other agencies, universities and the public. Their Web site, offers helpful information on golden alga and other harmful algal blooms.

There is limited scientific information on basic ecology and distribution of golden alga in inland waters of the United States. So far, no one has found a practical way to stop golden alga blooms and the fish kills they cause. Biologists hope ongoing and future research, monitoring, teamwork and collaboration will eventually find efficient solutions.

Does golden alga occur throughout the water column?
Golden alga can occur throughout the water column, depending on the water’s depth. The cells need only moderate light for photosynthesis, so they may be limited by how deep the sunlight reaches. Generally, few golden alga are found more than 20 feet below the lake surface. However, some parts of the golden alga life cycle can occur in the dark.

Resting cysts of golden alga (another stage in the life cycle) sink to the bottom of the water column after formation. This alga is different from other algae. Not only can it produce its own food from photosynthesis, but by secreting its toxins it can also capture, then eat and absorb other microscopic organisms, primarily other species of planktonic algae and bacteria, for sustenance.

Will warm water cause a golden alga bloom to decrease?
Warmer waters may allow the algal community to change, which can decrease a golden alga bloom. However, if golden alga becomes numerous in the phytoplankton (algal) community, it can last all year despite rising temperatures. Fish kills due to golden alga have occurred in some Texas lakes and rivers throughout the summer months. Worldwide scientific literature states that golden alga is not toxic at 86 degrees Fahrenheit or above. Texas hatcheries have seen decreases in golden alga numbers and impacts during the heat of the Texas summer.

Most of the documented golden alga blooms and associated fish kills occur during seasons when water temperatures are between 55-80 degrees Fahrenheit. Winter conditions are not favorable for other, common kinds of beneficial algae normally found in our inland waters, which likely gives the golden alga a competitive edge.

How do scientists measure the amount of golden alga in the water?
Biologists collect water samples from various lake locations and conduct cell counts to estimate how many golden alga cells are in the water. Powerful microscopes are necessary to identify this one-celled organism. A small amount of the water sample is put on a specialized slide underneath a microscope and then golden alga cells inside a grid are counted (each cell is quite small).

Cell counts do not always correlate with toxicity, although increased cell counts were found prior to the fish kills in Texas. Golden alga can produce enough toxin to cause a fish kill when cell concentrations are as low as 10,000 cells/milliliter, but fish losses in Texas typically have not occurred until algal density was at 20,000 cells/milliliter or more.

How do we get the answers we need?
The Arizona Game and Fish Department is working with experts from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, Arizona Department of Environmental Quality, Arizona Department of Health Services, University of Arizona, and lake management consultants to learn more about golden alga, how to monitor it, and how to identify feasible options to address it where possible.

Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has a Golden Alga Task Force that is working with researchers, other agency officials, and interested parties within and outside Texas to research, monitor and control harmful golden alga in Texas. In 2003, the Texas Legislature authorized the use of $600,000 per year for two years for research on golden alga in targeted areas. These areas include the development of management tools, approaches and technologies to help aquatic managers detect, combat, and manage golden alga in Texas. Another $450,000 was dedicated for continued golden alga research in 2005.

TPWD is also working on several other projects to better understand and control golden alga. The solutions to the problems of toxic golden alga (like other harmful algae species) will not be solved easily or quickly, although progress and successes will occur.

What is the Arizona Game and Fish Department doing about golden alga?
The Arizona Game and Fish Department is working diligently to learn more about this recently discovered alga in Arizona, to inform the public, to monitor affected lakes, to investigate all fish kills, and to work collaboratively with other affected stakeholders. There is simply no "silver bullet" to eliminating golden alga.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department has implemented cooperative efforts that give Arizona the best chance to mitigate the impacts of these events and address the potential for future outbreaks. The department is coordinating efforts to monitor fish kills and also to manage the recreational fisheries in these waters with the lake authorities and managers, state agencies, and other stakeholders. These monitoring, management and research efforts are significant and important.

The four lakes in the Salt River system (Saguaro, Canyon, Apache, and Roosevelt) are being monitored regularly for algal blooms and fish kills. The department has set up a contact number (623-236-7257) for the public to report any observations of golden alga blooms or fish kills. Fish kill and other lake observation information suspected to be connected with golden alga blooms may also be emailed to the department at goldenalgae@azgfd.gov. The department is also working with city officials to monitor, test and control the golden alga at Urban Fishing Program lakes. The city park departments have been responsive in treating their affected lakes with algaecides. After each treatment is completed, the department tests the lake waters to determine if the treatment was successful in killing off the algae. When lake water quality is satisfactory, fish stockings then resume. When necessary, the lake will be restocked with sunfish, bass and catfish. Public notices are posted around the Urban Fishing Program lakes to advise park users of current management and fish stocking activities.

Note: Although ponds and lakes smaller than a few hundred surface acres can be treated successfully, these treatments may not be economical or feasible in the larger and more complex reservoirs and rivers.

Unfortunately, the golden alga situation is analogous to red tides in coastal waters. Red tides are caused by different toxic algae that also result in widespread fish kills. Extensive research has been conducted on red tide algae in marine environments for over 30 years that has increased knowledge about the algae, but has not yet resulted in viable treatments to control bloom outbreaks. The ultimate goal of the department is to learn enough about golden alga to be able to effectively manage it and its impacts. Until viable management options are determined though, the department’s emphasis remains on monitoring, management and outreach about harmful golden alga blooms.

How can I help?
If you see dead or dying fish or large numbers of fish behaving strangely, take note of the species and sizes of fish affected, approximate numbers of fish observed, and the location(s) where fish were observed. Report your observations as soon as possible to the Arizona Game and Fish Department at goldenalgae@azgfd.gov or call (623) 236-7257. Common sense should be exercised by not picking up dead or dying fish for consumption.

To prevent transporting the alga to other waters:

Drain all lake water from watercraft, live wells and equipment before leaving the lake.
Rinse out watercraft, live wells and fishing equipment at home and allow it to dry before using it at another lake or river.
Do not move water, aquatic wildlife or plants (fish, frogs, tadpoles, clams, crayfish, aquatic weeds, etc.) offsite.
How can I learn about the most up-to-date information?
Visit the Department Web site at www.azgfd.gov for current information on golden alga and harmful algae blooms in Arizona. You can also sign up to receive, via e-mail, information directly from the department at www.azgfd.gov/signup.

For more information on protecting our waters go to: www.protectyourwaters.net.

Alga or Algae?
The term “alga” is used when only one species is being referenced, such as Prymnesium parvum, the golden alga. If the discussion is about several species (or a group of species), then the term algae is used.


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Taking another approach to this problem, it sounds like you stocked a huge amount of fish for a 1/3 acre pond. "I'm on a 1/3 acre pond stocked 40 HSB, 500 CNBG, and a few hundred tilapia in the spring". I would think that a few hundred tilapia in the spring could mean thousands and thousands in the fall. Also you indicate you put in an aeration system this year. Are you sure your system is properly sized and the aerators are in the right place?


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I misspoke on the tilapia, we only added about 9 lbs, which like you said turned into a lot more. Think I meant to say a few pounds. Anyways, as far as aerators go I have 2 vortex disc aerators spaced in equal spots in the pond. I worked with a sponsor on here and he mapped out the pond and the location of the discs, so I feel pretty good about the aeration.

I have since spoken with tpwd for some more helpful advice on how to move forward. It looks like ive finally got it back to normal if you can say that, Ive noticed one small group of tilapia minnows survived, they are the only fish activity i have seen in the last month

We used greenclean pro heavily to try and clean up the algae along with aquashade to try and prevent more growth. Im very hesitant to restock but just cant have an empty pond in my front yard to look at it, lol

The advice was to treat monthly during cold weather months with cutrine plus and keep aquashade in the pond on a continuous basis to help prevent more growth. Ill probably stock a little lighter again with fewer fish and possible a few bottom feeders to try and help clean up any fish food. Im worried that overfeeding could of caused the bloom when some of the fish food didnt get eaten. I have 3 small kids who really like to feed the fish sometimes when dads at work even when they arent suppose to. Also worried it was the food because I ran out of aquamax and had to use some tractor supply stuff to tied them over till the good stuff came in, that doesnt get eaten nearly as well as the aquamax and im concerned that could have aided in the problem, even though that wasnt an issue during the last breakout.

Ive been told that the issue is really just my well water and unless I can bring in water from another source, which i cant, that this will always be a risk. If anyone has any other tips or advice im up to try anything but for now I think im going to move forward with a fresh stock and see how long i can keep them alive this time, lol

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Just for my personal info what is the problem with your well water and how is that a contributing factor in the fish kills? I am not sure about stocking anything at this time of year? I think anything stocked now will just go into a survival holding pattern till spring? If you find different let me know I might stock too.

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Me Too fish truck, I just filled my pond about a month ago. After a 2 yr. wait for filling by nature,it just did not happen. 1 well later and 43 days and approx. 937,000 gals of wtr.,ye old pond is full. I am curious about why well water does or could cause Golden alga.

Anyway, It is really a sad day to have a fish kill and a second is horrible. I hope you never have another bigharge.

I have not made it down to TPWD in Athens TX just yet, but hope to soon and discuss this issue with them and the different information that has been presented on PB.

My pond has made it through two fall seasons so far without a fish kill. I cannot figure out, in my simple mind, if one pond in my East TX. area had a fish kill and I did not, then what could cause that situation.I have not read about other TX area ponds having the issue as far as PB'ers are concerned. I figure they would post their situation here, as you have.

I see that bigharge is from TX and I know that we are so big a state that we could have several temp,humidity,rainfall etc. differences. That begs the question to me which one or combo made the golden alga grow in your pond. Maybe other factors are fish-load, fish feed as you said,or wtr. composition, has more to do with it? I hope it is finally figured out.

Dave,Sue and RC1 were nice to give us their findings and it appears that this crap just started to show up and kill fish. Maybe we just have to live with, or in this case, die with it. I would assume that there is quite a bit of research in this area. If I get anything to add to this subject from TPWD I will bring it back to share.

It sure would be good to know if just keeping the fish load down in a pond will prevent the Golden alga from happening. It would be good to know if it has happened in a smaller pond with low fish load or even a pond that is just left to its own devices, with no feeder and just a small initial stocking?

I wish I could add advice but as can be seen, I only have questions. I do not want anyone to have a fish kill but it seems that the golden alga issue is about as bad and complete a kill as can be had. Maybe not.

I too hope my ya,ya here does not bring bad mojo to my pond!!

I'll keep reading.


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yeah, im out in west texas...midland. I dont even know if its my well water specifically, but i know of at least two other guys around here that have had the algae, but i also know of plenty that have not, so who know. The tpwd told me basically, after 20 years of studying, they still arent sure what causes it or how to fix it, lol I actually stocked it lightly again this weekend with a local fish truck, just to see if I can keep them alive through the winter, so we will see.


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Deer at Theo's 2023
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Minnow identification
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Sharing the Food
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Nice BGxRES
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Snake Identification
Snake Identification
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