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esshup #336305 05/25/13 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Use a 1" or <2" Curly tail grub on a small mini jig. White works very well for visibility. Use polarized glasses. When you see the white disappear, set the hook, don't wait until you feel the bite. I use 1/100th or 1/80th oz. jigheads. I've found them in Cabelas.

90% of the time I use them unpainted. Thread the curly tail grub on the hook, aligning the seam mark in the grub with the bend of the hook. I prefer to have the curly tail going straight up. If it's to one side or the other, the jig will swim to the left or the right, depending which way you missed threading it on perfectly "up".

I've found that Mr. Twister brand of scented curly tails and mini-crawfish outfish the Berkley power baits by a small margin, but both outfish the non-scented versions by a large margin. If you can find them, the mini-crawfish and nymphs seem to outfish the curly tail grubs.

I'll try that. When I was a kid we would take a plain rappla minnow and put a splitshot just above knot. Then set it on the bed. It looked just like a minnow trying to eat the eggs. Seemed like we caught quite a few like that.


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That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that??

What I said about the curly tail grubs was meant to refer to BG and HBG, not LMB, although I've caught some 3# and 4# LMB on that bait and 2# test line. (Yes George1, I realize that in hot Texas waters, it might stress the fish, but these fish were destined for hot oil. grin )


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Oh, sorry about that. It does work for bass around here though. Ill try what you mentioned on my HBG. I really don't want to kill anymore of my juvenile fish and most certainly not a (dreaming big) trophy one day.


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Any updates on your HBG?

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Crap! I'm pretty sure I observed some baby bluegill swimming with my fatheads a few minutes ago. Ill set a minnow trap and hope for the best. Fingers crossed. I may have no choice but release some LMB. I really wanted to keep them out of the picture.


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If you have HBG, I think you can control the YOY with HSB.


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Do you think my 6 to 8 inch HSB will take care of it. I put 28 in the pond. I have a minnow trap now set. It instantly was filling with FHM. Hopefully I was just seeing the dark colored FHM. Most of them are orange with the exception of some dark colored ones and albinos.


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Just checked trap. There are thousands of them. I'm in some serious trouble here. Panic alert! Tell me these are not green sunfish. I have some good hd video but my Internet is down and I can't load. Here is a few crapy pics. I could not see the screen on my phone because of sun.






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They are covered in vertical stripes.


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I'll let someone else do the I.D. I'm more familiar with the larger ones.


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They look like regular old bluegill to me. They definately arent green sunfish. Wait for a response from BC.


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I'm trying to get some hd video to load right now. It shows better detail.


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They look like BG or HBG to me, but it's hard to tell. You said there are "thousands"? There wasn't much in the vid or photos for scale, but they appeared large for a 6" HSB to control...did you find any larger HSB to stock when the water cools off?

I know you don't want LMB.... but they do a pretty good job.


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Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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They were all different sizes. I would say the biggest being 1.25". The whole minnow trap filled up with them. I could not believe my eyes. They were attacking the stale Melba chips like piranha. They were schooled all around minnow trap eating the stuff that came out. I bet there was 300 in that Minnow trap. I executed them all on the back of dam. I know I have HBG but I'm guessing my supplier might of sucked and had regular bluegill mixed with them. Looking like the large mouth is going to be my only option. Did you notice the red eyes on some of them. I think they might be evil.


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Yes and after walking circle around pond I would say there are thousands easy. Crazy! There not even a year old.


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Would you rather have smallies?? They're not the ideal sunfish control agent, but in a pond with little cover, if you get a pretty good population of breeding adults, and aren't afraid to do the heavy lifting yourself on the 4-8" bg that the smallies can't eat, they might work. I'm not suggesting they'd do the job that LMB would, but I wouldn't say that LMB are the ONLY option.

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This was the truck I purchased from. They were selling CNB also. I hope they didn't mix them in with my HBG. I wouldn't think the CNB would of survived the winter here, but the pond never froze more than a day.


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That might be an option Yolk. My pond is also filled with FHM so I'm afraid the HBG might be looked over. I have some serious reproduction from my FHM. I should be able to walk on them by fall. Here is another video of these things outside.
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If you decide to do smallies and need some-PM me in the next couple days, I'm draining a pond.......I watched some 10" SMB actually go up on the bank chasing yoy BG this evening, then have to flip themselves back in the pond.
However, you're probably right about the FHM.....

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Thanks for the offer Yolk, but I work weekends and my wife works days. I'm pretty tied with my baby girl on my days off. I actually had her in my arms while trapping and making videos today. That's why everything is so shaky. I can catch some smallies out of the creek that runs through my town if I decide to go that route. Seems like I've always heard SMB can't control BG. Will the LMB terrorize my YP? Man this really throws a monkey wrench in things. Dad-gummit!

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I wouldn't toss in LMB quite yet. Large mouth (to me), anal fin white (or light colored) margin says to me that there is some GSF in the mix. Now, a GSF is half of a HBG, so I wouldn't panic just yet.

Think about HSB and SMB. If they don't control them, then you can always add LMB, but if you drop in LMB from the get-go, you can never turn back.

Trap all you can, even see about running a seine thru there once or twice. Or, get a small Fyke Net. You'd be amazed at how many fish you can remove with one.


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I going to give it the weekend to think about it and maybe see what others have to say. I have always wanted SMB. How bad do they reproduce in ponds? I have a very clay rocky bottom. Pretty much what you see in video at pond edge. I don't think they would eat my YP as bad either. I have 4 minnow traps and a nice seine. I'm going on a mission starting tomorrow. Thanks guys.


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Is there any such thing as the perfect pond? I don't want this to stress me out, so unless somebody can give me any reason to not try the smallies first I'm going to go that route. Besides clay rock piles there is no cover in pond. Thanks Yolk and Scott.

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Am I wrong, or could the large amounts of FHM in the pond be keeping the predators that are in there from eating the small gills? Once the FHM decline in numbers, won't the focus be on what's left to eat, thus in future years the problem my not be so bad? Possibly pull back on the amount of feed to force it?

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