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#342011 - 07/03/13 10:10 AM Operation trash pump
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Registered: 09/20/10
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Well I did not rent a trash pump I bought one. Glad I did because removing the muck was more time then I thought smile the intake hose and all the good stuff to go with it was almost as much as the pump.... I bought a 212cc 2 inch "clear water" pump from harbor freight I was sure it was gona be a POS but it really does do a good job. I have drained it down 2x to about a a quarter of the pond and making it a soupy mess but its working. I use the discharge hose to keep moving the muck down the banks. Needless to say its working.

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#342027 - 07/03/13 10:27 AM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Good!

I have a 3" semi-trash pump. The other day I was moving some water for a neighbor and the intake screen kept getting clogged with leaves and grass. I got fed up and removed the screen, and it worked flawlessly, chewing thru any leaves and grass that it sucked up.
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#342028 - 07/03/13 10:29 AM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Scott,

Water still coming up in your pond? Were you pumping water into your pond from your neighbors?
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#342039 - 07/03/13 11:10 AM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Not sure who you asked the question to , i am on a side of a mountain so if I pump it down the next day it is full. I bought a extra large strainer but do have to keep my hands cleaning it off. I do take handfuls of muck and smear it in does not give me a problem. I'm scared to run it without the screen, I can't afford a new pump smile

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#342068 - 07/03/13 01:45 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Cecil:

Water is about done rising in my pond unless we get more rain. It's at 54 3/4", about 8" below full pool. The water level in my pond is = the neighbors seasonal pond (3' deep and it dries up every Fall). I adjusted the culvert so it wouldn't backflow into his pond, and pumped some of the water out of his pond to mine as his property was starting to flood towards his pole barn. Typically the surface water goes from his property to mine, and then from mine to the next neighbor to the West. At this level, if I didn't pump some to my pond, it starts to flood the woods behind our houses. I think I still have some migrating to my pond thru the ground, as my pond level rose 1 1/2" after pumping for 5 hours yesterday. My pump is rated for 16,000 GPH, and the pond is over an acre in surface area now.
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#342069 - 07/03/13 01:46 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: esshup]
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Cody:

Keep the screen on your pump. It's a clear water pump, so it isn't rated to handle any pieces/parts of material. Mine is a semi-trash pump, which is rated for junk up to 1/2" dia IIRC.
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#342087 - 07/03/13 02:46 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Cecil:

Water is about done rising in my pond unless we get more rain. It's at 54 3/4", about 8" below full pool. The water level in my pond is = the neighbors seasonal pond (3' deep and it dries up every Fall). I adjusted the culvert so it wouldn't backflow into his pond, and pumped some of the water out of his pond to mine as his property was starting to flood towards his pole barn. Typically the surface water goes from his property to mine, and then from mine to the next neighbor to the West. At this level, if I didn't pump some to my pond, it starts to flood the woods behind our houses. I think I still have some migrating to my pond thru the ground, as my pond level rose 1 1/2" after pumping for 5 hours yesterday. My pump is rated for 16,000 GPH, and the pond is over an acre in surface area now.


Only 8 inches to full pool! Awesome. I'd almost drive over ther just to see it!

We had about a 20 minute downpour during the night. It was coming down so hard it woke me up! Haven't heard it rain that hard in a long time. I'll have to ask the neighbor what she has in her range guage.

Still rain in the forecast for you. I see full pool yet!
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#342121 - 07/03/13 05:32 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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You'll be here in 17 days. wink Got your talk all nailed down yet? I have some cages in the pond, and I probably should come over and get the extra ones that you have before then.
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#342123 - 07/03/13 05:56 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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I made a pre-filtration barrel to pump out of. Cut about a third of the top of plastic barrel off. Something like you use for the docks, a sturdy kind of plastic. Drill a bunch of 1/2" holes in it all over. Throw that in the water(rope attached can be handy at times) and set the hose with screen inside that. You'll be amazed at how much less you need to clean the hose end.

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#342269 - 07/04/13 10:48 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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I drained that pond yesterday got done at 9pm walked out at 9am and it was going out the overflow.

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#343614 - 07/14/13 05:56 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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A few questions:

- Is this the one from Harbor freight?

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-full-trash-pump-with-212cc-gas-engine-69746.html

Where did you get the hoses and how much did they cost? I saw one review that complained that it did not come with hoses and Harbor frieght did not sell them.

- I have a small pond that I'd like to make a little bit bigger. As far as the muck/waste goes, is there any way I can use this to build up the outlet rocks (dam) or will this all just seep and wash away?

- How do you use the pump, on a dingy/boat?

Thanks

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#343615 - 07/14/13 06:12 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Northern Tool has 3" hoses. Hoses are expensive, so I go with the shortest hard suction hose I can find. They can always be extended with 3" PVC pipe. The outlet hoses are much more reasonable, so that's what I get the distance with.

Be sure and make sure the water connections on the pump are screw on, and not clamp on. That complicates things.
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#343617 - 07/14/13 06:33 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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I've posted elsewhere that I bought a 2-inch semi-trash pump from Tractor Supply a little over a year ago. Last week they were on sale for about $215. I don't remember what I paid for a 25' foot long 2-inch suction hose with fittings and an intake filter, but I'm thinking it was about $75. I got a discharge hose discharge hose, with fittings for a little over $30.

The thing will move one heck of a lot of water It almost always starts on the first pull.

The only complaints I have is that the throttle lever is very hard to move, and it is made from rather thin aluminum. I need to reinforce it. The gasoline gauge got wet during a thunderstorm, and hasn't worked since. No big deal. I can always look in the tank. The pump sat outside most of last season. The cotton pull rope broke early this spring. It took less than 10 minutes to pull the recoil starter and replace the pull-start with nylon rope.

I was leary of it when I bought it. It is made entirely in China. But, so far, so good. If the engine dies, I think I can replace it with a Honda or B&S without an issue.
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#343619 - 07/14/13 07:23 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Audiophobe]
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Registered: 09/06/11
Posts: 2315
Loc: Northeast Ohio
Originally Posted By: Audiophobe
A few questions:

- I have a small pond that I'd like to make a little bit bigger. As far as the muck/waste goes, is there any way I can use this to build up the outlet rocks (dam) or will this all just seep and wash away?

- How do you use the pump, on a dingy/boat?

Thanks


You don't want to use muck to build with. Get yourself some good clay.

Pumps can be used from anywhere, as long as they aren't under the water wink. I think most find a spot along the shoreline. Set it up near the water, the shorter the suction hose is the better it will work. Use the discharge hose to get the water to where you want to go for distance. I truly respect FIH comment about the connection, however I own both kinds, and I found the cam locks to be easier.

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#343621 - 07/14/13 07:36 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: fish n chips]
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I like the cam locs better too, but some need to be zip tied together because they might vibrate loose - mine will on the discharge hose.
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#343622 - 07/14/13 07:39 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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FNC, after I wrote that I thought about it, and the cams are easier to hook up. I guess what I should have said is the screw on connections make it easier to piggyback PVC pipe. My 2" pumps do have the cam locks and you're right. They're quick and easy.

My stupid puddle is dropping so fast, I'm constantly adding PVC extensions.

Good catch.
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#343625 - 07/14/13 08:07 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: FireIsHot]
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FIH, you can easily adapt cam-loc to threaded - they make adapters to do just that.
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#343629 - 07/14/13 08:32 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Yeah, I've got them on my 2" pumps but to honest, I'm adapter challenged. You should see my chemical spray pumps fittings coffee can. I could plumb a hospital, one wrong fitting at a time.
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#343632 - 07/14/13 08:41 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: catmandoo]
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Originally Posted By: catmandoo
I've posted elsewhere that I bought a 2-inch semi-trash pump from Tractor Supply a little over a year ago. Last week they were on sale for about $215. I don't remember what I paid for a 25' foot long 2-inch suction hose with fittings and an intake filter, but I'm thinking it was about $75. I got a discharge hose discharge hose, with fittings for a little over $30.

The thing will move one heck of a lot of water It almost always starts on the first pull.

The only complaints I have is that the throttle lever is very hard to move, and it is made from rather thin aluminum. I need to reinforce it. The gasoline gauge got wet during a thunderstorm, and hasn't worked since. No big deal. I can always look in the tank. The pump sat outside most of last season. The cotton pull rope broke early this spring. It took less than 10 minutes to pull the recoil starter and replace the pull-start with nylon rope.

I was leary of it when I bought it. It is made entirely in China. But, so far, so good. If the engine dies, I think I can replace it with a Honda or B&S without an issue.


Ken, I don't know what kind of offshore engine is on your pump, but most stationary engines that have the throttle control mounted on the engine itself have an adjustment to set the tension on the lever......too loose and the engine won't hold its rpm, and too tight and you bend the throttle lever. If you follow the throttle lever back, it probably pivots in the middle....and is held down with a locking nut and a spring. Back off the nut to make it easier to move.
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#343634 - 07/14/13 08:43 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: FireIsHot]
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Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
You should see my chemical spray pumps fittings coffee can. I could plumb a hospital, one wrong fitting at a time.
lol.......I hear ya. It's been my experience, that the simplest plumbing task can require 3 or 4 trips to the hardware store. If I'm lucky.

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#343824 - 07/16/13 07:03 AM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: fish n chips]
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FNC,
Clay from where?

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#343904 - 07/16/13 03:04 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Possibly somewhere on your property, if you have enough acreage.

Bring it in from somebody that needs it out of their way.

Buy it if you have to.

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#343924 - 07/16/13 05:42 PM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Cody Veach]
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Loc: CT, USA
Is that Bentonite?
Can I buy that at Agway?

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#343989 - 07/17/13 08:54 AM Re: Operation trash pump [Re: Audiophobe]
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Loc: Northeast Ohio
Originally Posted By: Audiophobe
Is that Bentonite?
Can I buy that at Agway?


I am assuming you are asking this in relation to clay?

Clay is just a type of dirt. Very good for pond sealing. I am under the impression that it can be found in most areas through out the states, but I don't know your region so I can't say its there for sure. Some times its just below the topsoil, and other times you might have to dig 30 feet down before you find it. You might buy it thru gravel pits.

Bentonite is a product you would mix with the dirt to help it seal better. Used when you don't have access to good dirt like clay. Still would not work very well, if at all, if you mixed bentonite with muck.

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