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Sorry I'm on my phone and can't really dig too deep into forum. I noticed these two plants emerging tonight after returning from vacation. I hope they are nothing invasive. Thanks.   Also what is brown stuff floating up from bottom? It's covered in little air bubbles and the slightest movement and it comes to top. I put some blue pond dye in before the 4th. Could that of killed the stuff on bottom?
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The top one is I think a type of Rush weed with a little FA floating around it.. Don't know about the bottom one..
Rush can be a pain in the neck.. I have a buttload of it and its about 2-3ft tall lining 75% of my bank I've learned to love it compared to FA and Primrose..
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Yes, the top is a species of rush. It doesn't get any taller than about 2-3 feet, so it is a preferred shorelines species compared to some. The bottom is a pondweed, most likely American pondweed. In my opinion, one of the better submerged aquatic vegetation species out there. The stuff floating up is FA dying in the heat, rotting and floating to the surface.
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Thanks guys. Should I pull all that rush? It's still containable. 3 foot circle wide in couple feet of water. Wonder where it came from?
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I would say some of it is good but keep an eye on it, it will multiply, aquatic herbicide knocks it out pretty quick and it'll be gone for a couple years, primrose I would never recommend to anyone that stuff is horrid..
The rush looks cool in parts of the pond ill take some pics of mine tomorrow to give you a better idea of what it will look like when it multiplies..
Some plant life is good in your pond too suck up some of those nutrients that would otherwise be used by FA..
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BGK and CJB are both right. Top is rush (most likely soft rush) and the bottom looks like American pondweed.
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I don't mind the rush. I've got a patch of it along a shallow shorline at the inlet end of my pond and think it gives the pond a "natural" look, if you know what I mean. Takes the edge off the "new pond" look.
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Those sure look like cattails to me. Someone can confirm? If so, nuke them from orbit or dig them out by the roots.
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I noticed these two plants emerging tonight after returning from vacation. That looks like " waterthread pondweed ", aka Potamogeton diversifolius. It differs from what is sometimes called "American pondweed", which is generally known as " long-leaf pondweed " in most parts of the country.
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Potamogeton diversifolius is sure likely - not American Pondweed Potamogeton nodosus and that is a good thing.
Soft rush and FA.
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I noticed these two plants emerging tonight after returning from vacation. That looks like " waterthread pondweed ", aka Potamogeton diversifolius. It differs from what is sometimes called "American pondweed", which is generally known as " long-leaf pondweed " in most parts of the country. It says it grows in Florida. How in world could it of ended up in my new pond in Missouri? So I should leave it alone and let it do its thing or get rid of it now?
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It says it grows in Florida. How in world could it of ended up in my new pond in Missouri? So I should leave it alone and let it do its thing or get rid of it now? " PODI" is found throughout most of the lower 48 states and in parts of Canada and Mexico. As for management: Ten people would likely offer 10 opinions, and one or more opinion could be correct - depending upon a variety of circumstances. In short, you might consider taking steps to keep it in check if your pond's design favors over-proliferation of this species. Otherwise, it can offer benefits for the pond if the plant "self-maintains" at a tolerable level. It is usually fairly easy to spot-treat with Aquathol, although limiting the area of impact may pose a challenge.
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The rush like plant is blunt spike rush (Eleocharis obtusa or E. ovata). I have seen it called knob rush. It grows in clumps and is not invasive. It is a very beneficial shoreline plant. IMO promote it. I don't think it grows in large beds since it has a clump growth pattern. It can get knee high but I think that it rare for it. If is much much better than cattails. All the other species of spikerush grow in beds with stems varying distances apart depending on species. Spike rushes do not get as tall as the bull rushes which makes spike rush a much better pond shoreline plant.
I am pretty sure that the three grass like plants are not cattails. Leaves are not wide enough. Keep an eye on them and see if they flower and produce seeds, that will help a lot in positive identification.
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Ok thanks. Ill keep an eye on all three and keep you guys updated.
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Fan away the soil from the roots of the grassy looking plant, pull one up and take a picture. By just pulling on the plant without fanning away the soil, you might break off the runners.
If it shows a white "runner" then I'd say cattail. It looks what immature cattails look like in my pond.
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Jwwanne - I also hoped these were not cattails, but I think they are. Much easier to pull now.
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I'm not touching the next one. Kelly Shot down my American Pondweed and BC rained on my soft rush.  Leave it to the experts (the Scientifical and the taxo-something-or-other)
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I'm not touching the next one. Kelly Shot down my American Pondweed and BC rained on my soft rush. Leave it to the experts (the Scientifical and the taxo-something-or-other) Now thats funny stuff right there!! I am just glad Bill didn't start talking Russian or Italian or whatever he said...
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esshup has a good way to help with identification. If they are connected or have a white fleshy root then yes likely cattails. Real young ones can have narrow leaves. I would dig them up not pull and rinse off all the roots and take another picture. They can always be replanted if kept wet.
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Halfway down the thread, I am 100% certain these are cattails. I have EXACTLY the same thing going on. In a new pond when the bottom soils have not accumulated any nutrients yet, the cattails are pretty pathetic and look more like grass. However if they manage to get some roots into something a little more fertile, they take off!
Pull them while they are little like this, and they will be easy to control. Wait too long and the tubers which travel just under the surface of the soils will snap off while you are pulling, and then you will have to pull again... and again...
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Heading out for some pond wading. Pics to come.
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Can we designate this day as the one I got a plant ID right before Bill Cody did?
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Roots verified the name cattails. Good naming by others.
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Not sure if that means we have a holiday or not.
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  I noticed this guy today. What is it and should I be concerned? Thanks
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Crickets. Who can get this before Bill?
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Alligatorweed, and yes - you should be very concerned. It is an exotic/invasive. BTW: a profile view of the plant would make it easier to verify that the leaves are arranged opposingly rather than in a alternating manner. I noticed this guy today. What is it and should I be concerned? Thanks
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Alligatorweed, and yes - you should be very concerned. It is an exotic/invasive. BTW: a profile view of the plant would make it easier to verify that the leaves are arranged opposingly rather than in a alternating manner. I noticed this guy today. What is it and should I be concerned? Thanks I'll try to get better pics tomorrow as I remove it. Thanks Kelly.
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I have problems again. That's grass or algae is spreading like the plaque.
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Sorry the stuff I mentioned at conference. Not the pond grass or cattails. Need some
Bill Cody advice to nip it in the bud.
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Sure looks like FA to me -- Bill?
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It is one of the early spring FA. It is a guess which one it is. Notice the tree leaves in it. What happened is it started growing on the bottom as with all FA. Sinking tree leaves likely dropped on top of it. When the FA get thicker it usually floats to the surface where you see it now. Do you believe in tilapia? They will eat it thus you can turn the FA into fish biomass. Or you can use an algaecide such as Cutrine-Plus or similar copper base algaecide and blend it with some water (see directions) and spray the mats. Secondary choice is dissolve some copper sulfate in water (1 cup per 4-5 gallons) and spray the mats. There are tremendous numbers (hundreds of thousands if not millions) of micro invertebrates, primarily benthic zooplankton and rotifers living among the FA mat. Using herbicides on the mat will also kill lots of those micro-invertebrates. IMO you are best turning a big portion of it into tilapia biomass.
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Thanks bill. No go on tilapia in my state. I took leaf rake to front side today. Dam side is drop off. Grass carp?
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Have the same stuff here John.
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Lucky I have a small pond. Pulled out one side today with garden rack and dumped on back side of dam.
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I was going to get pics for spark of what I suspect are 18 oz HBG.
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I was going to get pics for spark of what I suspect are 18 oz HBG. Going to get? So now I'm left just hanging here? 
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Lucky I have a small pond. Pulled out one side today with garden rack and dumped on back side of dam. I also did a bunch today with a landscape rake. Mostly cleared out sections along the bank so we can fish easier. The stuff sucks trying to get a lure from the water without fouling it with the FA. I ordered some Cutrine plus but it has not got here yet. Did a section with hydrated lime a few days ago and it seems like the lime did a fair job to it. Would like to do as Bill Cody suggests and use tilipia. But have not made arrangements for any yet. Really have mixed feelings about the FA. I have tons of small FHM and BG in and around the stuff. Looked through some of it a while back and like Bill says the FA is loaded with tiny critters. So as far as my fish are concerned, the FA is doing at least some of the job pond weeds would do if I had any (pond still too new yet for any to be established). But the stuff got completely unsightly last year. So while I don't mind having some FA for the critters in it and small fish refuge, I'm going to try to keep it from going completely bezerk this year like it did last year. It is starting out strong so I need to keep on top of it. It is using so many nutrients out of the water, my water is exceptionally clear. My other ponds have a nice green cast from planktonic algae but this pond has so much FA it is not getting a good bloom. With the rake today I mixed as far down the bank as I could all the black muck I could stir up. Maybe that will get some nutrients in suspension and will get a plantonic algae bloom. That would go a long ways in keeping the FA in check. Right now I can see 5' deep in the pond, and FA growing down to that depth. If I don't do something to keep it in check I'm afraid it will really get out of hand this year.
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Lol Tony. I took the scale and tape measure to pond that day for pics. Goal pics of HBG. It was an unusually warm day for this time of year. After being disgusted
by FA on my hook fast. Next thing I know I'm racking it out. Wife has been out of town so I'll get down to pond asap for pics. I caught one last week with no scale and my phone was in truck. I was like a little kid opening a present. I rushed it back to water. I fed the fish some AquaMax that night for first time. They tore it up. Hope it isn't to early. Hope to hear from vertex soon on my aeration unit.
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Lucky I have a small pond. Pulled out one side today with garden rack and dumped on back side of dam. I also did a bunch today with a landscape rake. Mostly cleared out sections along the bank so we can fish easier. The stuff sucks trying to get a lure from the water without fouling it with the FA. I ordered some Cutrine plus but it has not got here yet. Did a section with hydrated lime a few days ago and it seems like the lime did a fair job to it. Would like to do as Bill Cody suggests and use tilipia. But have not made arrangements for any yet. Really have mixed feelings about the FA. I have tons of small FHM and BG in and around the stuff. Looked through some of it a while back and like Bill says the FA is loaded with tiny critters. So as far as my fish are concerned, the FA is doing at least some of the job pond weeds would do if I had any (pond still too new yet for any to be established). But the stuff got completely unsightly last year. So while I don't mind having some FA for the critters in it and small fish refuge, I'm going to try to keep it from going completely bezerk this year like it did last year. It is starting out strong so I need to keep on top of it. It is using so many nutrients out of the water, my water is exceptionally clear. My other ponds have a nice green cast from planktonic algae but this pond has so much FA it is not getting a good bloom. With the rake today I mixed as far down the bank as I could all the black muck I could stir up. Maybe that will get some nutrients in suspension and will get a plantonic algae bloom. That would go a long ways in keeping the FA in check. Right now I can see 5' deep in the pond, and FA growing down to that depth. If I don't do something to keep it in check I'm afraid it will really get out of hand this year. Same here. It was horrible last year on every pond I saw. The stuff just exploded in a few days and covered about 90% of my pond before I gave up and sprayed it with Cutrine. I put Aquashade in it last fall and it seems to have helped in the deep water but it is coming back strong in the shallows already.
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