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So how many gsh bkf and fhm should I get? Also where can I get the killifish. I can't seemto find them anywhere. Is there a substitute?
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You pay for shipping, I'll send you a few dozen to get you started. Otherwise sourcing BKF can be real tough.
Why are you so interested in CP in such a small pond?
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I don't know. Is there a substitute for killifish? Thanks for the offer. I'll think about it. I like pickerel because try look cool and they put up a fight. I was ping to get SmB but I think they won't survive. Can you tell me how many gsh, cp, crayfish, fhm, and killi or the sub? Also web should I stock them like 10 gsh in June 2013 a an example.
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Ping is thinking and web is when. My iPod has typos sorry.
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I would stock the FHM as soon as possible, 2 pounds should be fine.
Next spring go to your local bait shop and see the condition of the shiners they sell. They should be golden shiners. If you are unsure, buy a dozen, take photos and post them on here for ID. If they are golden shiners and they look to be in good condition, buy 5 dozen of the 3"-5" ones and stock them. Give them a chance to spawn, in that area, they should have pulled off a good spawn by the end of June.
Try to source smaller CP, say less than 8". Then stock 10 of them from late summer through early fall.
No need to stock anything else if CP are your total focus.
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So I get fhm now, wait next march to get shinerrs and then wait till next august to get picks? The picks will be 16 inches around. I'm going to catch them. Is that ok?
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If you don't want to wait, stock 5 pounds of FHM now, 2 pounds of the largest GSH you can find now and then stock the CP this late spring or later.
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Ok thanks I'll do that. How many dozen is 2 pounds and will rosy red minnows work instead if Fatheads? I hear they are the same
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And how many fhm is 5 lbs?
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Or 2.26796 kilograms  If you want to know how many FHM are in a pound, you gotta tell us what length they are. "average size" won't cut it.
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So i sjould bring a scale to the bait shop? And the fhm are 1 inch each. Can i use rosies insyead?
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Tell the bait shop that you want to piggy back an order on their next delivery. Typically they are wholesaled by the pound. Rosy Reds are just red/pink colored FHM. They usually are easier for predators to see, so they are an easier target. If you get them from a bait shop, be very careful when you put them in the pond. You'll need to sort thru them to ensure that you aren't introducing fish that you don't want - common carp, bullheads, etc. It'd be easier to tell with Rosy Reds - any fish not "colored", toss out. If you were to do a Google search using "How many Fathead Minnows in a gallon pond boss" you would find the first search result would be: http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=210910
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I would not use Rosey Reds. I can say, even 100% Rosey Reds, will convert back to 99%+ natural color in less than a year without any major fish predators.
I stocked 100 rosey reds into my pond last year on May 19. The pond has a hand full of male only sunfish. No other predatory fish. By July of last year I had 1000's of fry and 1" rosey reds and normal colored FHM. By the end of summer it was about 1/3 rosey reds and 2/3 natural colored. Winter was tough on the rosey reds as I think the diving fish eating birds could see them and hammered them silly. By warm up I was at 95%+ natural coloration. I am now at 99%+ natural coloration. I have 1000's of FHM but I occasionally see a few adult rosey reds. Now the fry being born are a fairly decent mix of both colors but they seem to disappear fast if they are the rosey red coloration. In a pond that had LMB or another predator, this process would happen much faster.
Just stock normal colored FHM.
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aetain says about CP "I like pickerel because they look cool and they put up a fight." If he is looking for a really cool, hard fighting fish, remind me again why he is not stocking HSB.
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Bill:
I don't think HSB are legal in NJ.
CJ, just tossing this at ya. If a person isn't well versed in telling small fish species apart from one another, and they had to sort FHM, would you say that the Rosy Reds were easier to sort? With the knowledge that the population will be regular FHM color within a year.
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I would not use Rosey Reds. I can say, even 100% Rosey Reds, will convert back to 99%+ natural color in less than a year without any major fish predators.
I stocked 100 rosey reds into my pond last year on May 19. The pond has a hand full of male only sunfish. No other predatory fish. By July of last year I had 1000's of fry and 1" rosey reds and normal colored FHM. By the end of summer it was about 1/3 rosey reds and 2/3 natural colored. Winter was tough on the rosey reds as I think the diving fish eating birds could see them and hammered them silly. By warm up I was at 95%+ natural coloration. I am now at 99%+ natural coloration. I have 1000's of FHM but I occasionally see a few adult rosey reds. Now the fry being born are a fairly decent mix of both colors but they seem to disappear fast if they are the rosey red coloration. In a pond that had LMB or another predator, this process would happen much faster.
Just stock normal colored FHM. The "oddity effect".
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CJ, just tossing this at ya. If a person isn't well versed in telling small fish species apart from one another, and they had to sort FHM, would you say that the Rosy Reds were easier to sort? With the knowledge that the population will be regular FHM color within a year. Yes, I 100% agree that is a sure fire way of not getting a goof up short of maybe a goldfish, but even then you'd really have to be blind.
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Oddity affect no doubt played a role and I have a family of kingfishers who can see those pink buggers 300 yards away. Throw in a few green herons and that bright coloration isn't lasting.
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I dont like hsb due to pellet feeing im up every weeken in ny not nj. Dont have time yo feed. So i need 10 cp ?gsh and ?fhm. Please tell me how many gsh and fhm.
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Also can i just get rosy insyead of fhm?
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and can i get 2-4" CP instead. I may catch some fingerlings. If i do so, should i introduce the FHM and not the GSH right away?
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Ive calculated;
-1500 FHM=5lbs
-500 GSH=2lbs
Does this seem accurate?
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When sorting for fathead minnows the main fish your are looking to prevent are easily recognizable such as: bullheads, sunfish, drab goldfish and carp. CJBS did I miss any problematic species not easy recognizable? Any other minnow or shiner shouldn't cause problems in a pond with most predators of SMB, LMB, HSB or even yellow perch. Worst case situation would be to get a few golden shiner in the mix. Gambusia aka mosquito fish should not be a big problem with predators.
Aetain: hybrid striped bass do not need to be fed pellets, but they won't grow as fast on a low forage fish diet that occurs in many ponds. Have you considered using yellow perch as a forage and panfish species with the CP? Just female YP are an option for having just a few larger panfish for harvest and diversity.
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