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I'd begin removing every HBG and their subsequent generations that are under 6".

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I am hoping the predators will be removing them for me.... ...


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The 2nd picture shows why GSF are considered competition for LMB in regards to smaller prey species. Look at how big of a bait it was caught on!


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3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
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Will take a big snook and even big reddish to eat 4" or even 3" GSF hybrids, give them some help and remove some. You'll need the room the removed biomass will clear up.

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I've seen a couple like your first pic in my HBG pond. Due to the time frame involved they could not be F2 or F3 fish that were spawned in my pond, so they had to have come from the hatchery. Or, they were reciprocal crosses, which had to have come from the hatchery also.

They can make decent fish in their own right. I'll see if I can find a pic.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Here is one... I don't have a weight in my notes, but I see it was almost 9" long, and female.




"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Pretty fish......I am sure some of the ones in my pond would be more round and fat if they had better feed. natural or pellets. In your experiance are they good fish eaters? No shortage of gambusias in the pond, it is nearly infested with them. Nothing much elses to eat though and they all look thin. If they have crossed I bet the large mouth could be coming from warmouth, they are very comon around here.


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My HBG prey heavily on minnows and YOY fish. I've watched them work the shallows like Bass on multiple occasions.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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FHM or gambusia, Perhaps the gams being so top water oriented is a deterant. When I fish I catch tons of bream and they always look a little thin. Yet the surface is litterally swarming with big fat pregnant female GAMS.

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I am sure bass and HBG and GSF all eat gambusia... However, gambusia are so numerous in extremely bass heavy ponds for a reason, they are very good at avoiding predation. I don't think they make very good prey for the most part. Now FHM, they disappear shortly after bass are stocking for a reason, because they are easy pickings.

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Seems I need somthing in between, FHM will disapear and GAMS are a little too wiley..Hopefully the Killi fish will help and the GSH baies will be able to be eaten. Once I get teh sun fish numbers down it should help too I supose.


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Yeah, I think removing a good number of your sunfish will really be a big help...

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Some of the stucture I mentioned earlier in this thread

6 pallet Cube


4 pallet condo tower


load of rubble , corralled by pallets


Koi fish hanging aroud the pond



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How many Koi you have in your pond?

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Not sure,,,...
I would say 20 that are this size now...The ospry is constantly after them so I am sure they will be reduced slowly...I need to run string criss crossed a few time in the trees to interfer with its dive bombing path...



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This thread started out about FHM but has morphed into something else so I figured I would give an update.

I got some adult wild shiners stocked, along with Sail Fin mollies and some Gulf Killi Fish (mud Minnows) . The eel Grass inside the protective cages seems to be starting to grow nicely too



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I didnt get any one to ride with to get stocking photos


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They go into your pond?

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I wonder if This redfish would be able to thin out some of the 3-5" bream in my pond ??.............LOL



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Headed out to the pond this weekend, hope to see how the baitfish reproducing well. Gonna do a little casting to see if any of the in the pond will hit a lure. Will give update on any of the other baitfish status if I can see any of them.


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Why don't you try setting a minnow trap and see if you can catch a few of the species you caught?

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I casted a small rattle trap around, I caught a couple big bream, one Warmouth. I also Jumped two tarpon, one broke me off after three sky high leaps the other just spit the hook durning a 3 feet flipping jump. I saw the broke off fish jumping a few times later on trying to get my lure out. Hope it falls out and it can contue eating.


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I never did get any direction on a source for Fathead Minnows near North Florida. If any one knows of a source any place somewhat near me please let me know.


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Shongaloo fisheries has gams, maybe fhm too?

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