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Good luck! Hope they accept your offer. Just be cautious that you have enough room to expand your pond when the time comes ;-).
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Made a highspeed to the farm this afternoon...Grabbed a couple of pictures to check to make sure my plant id is correct...The water is crystal clear thoughout the entire pond...I can see he entire bottom of the pond right now... Duckweed and milfoil?...  Cattails and algea?.. 
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Hoping to get this in working order...  Since the water level is so low, will it hurt to burn these off?.. 
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Need to get rid of cattail roots so burning would only delay the growth of new cattails.
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I don't necessarily want to totally elimanate them just clean them up a little...They are in the corner of the pond that the original spawning ramp was put in so it is very shallow right now...
Figured burning them would keep more decay out of the pond...
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I found that cutting them and removing them from my pond is the best option. By not allowing for the ashes or rotting plants to add nutrients to the pond, will help in not adding to the algae growth in your pond. Check out this handy little weed cutter.... http://products.hbpondmanagement.com/product_p/wrm2.htm
Miles upon miles of aeration line installed, 2500 plus pond treatments performed annually.... and I'm just getting started.
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Round-up works very good on cattails.
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I am so lusting after that windmill.......
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I am so lusting after that windmill....... You and many others.. We talked about that today when I was up there. Diane said she has had several stop by the farm asking to buy it... A friend of mine owns a tree service and lives a mile down the road from it... I am going to see what he will charge me to rent his sky lift. Not convinced I want to climb it.. It does spin even though I think the brake is set... Don't really know much about wind mills, but like said I love to learn new things...
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It looks to be in pretty good shape...I don't see anything obvious missing on the head or rotor.
Is there a pump jack at the base?
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Yes, that's Eurasian Watermilfoil and duckweed. They both are a PITA to get rid of. If you don't have water flowing thru the pond, a Fluridone based product will work the best. Or if the pH isn't high, you could use less Fluridone to target the Milfoil and hit the DW with Clipper.
It's a constant battle to have "a few" cattails as they spread by both rhizomes and by seed. It'll be a constant battle. A heavier (90ppb) concentration of Fluridone should kill them once they are actively growing. A lighter dosage (10 ppb) will kill the milfoil but not harm other plants. You'll need the 90 ppb rate for the duckweed too.
Cutting and raking out the cattail debris will get the most nutrients out of the pond, but burning them like you said will be quicker and easier if they are close enough together to stay burning.
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It looks to be in pretty good shape...I don't see anything obvious missing on the head or rotor.
Is there a pump jack at the base? Yes, but it is not in good shape...It is cracked and has a couple of holes from I can only assume freezing...I am hoping there is an extra one in my grandfather shop...He was kind of a hoader and from memory I remember seeing on in there... 
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esshup,
As per your suggestions and link provided I have the pond at .4789 acres...The fact that it is so shallow and I really have no fear of fish kill, (because there are none) Whitecap is probably going to be my direction...
I have not had time to throw the boat in yet to figure actual depth...I am guessing 6' is max right now with probably a 4' average...Not good!!!
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Duckweed is common in ponds that have little wave action and high nutrient loading. In a pond that shallow, just be aware that getting rid of the weeds will leave nutrients unused. That'll create a good crop of algae.... From the frying pan into the fire.  The best solution is to dig it deeper and get rid of the muck and accumulated sediment/nutrients. But, until you can justify it, whack the weeds back and dye it heavily to reduce the amount of sunlight penetrating it. I would prefer to see a phytoplankton bloom going, but I don't know if you can get one going before the FA starts growing. I still think stocking some HBG for the kids and feeding them would be a plan. Any news on the offer that you put in? I'd suggest Tilapia, but in Illinois, it's not a legal option.....
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The Duckweed is not a major issue...It is the FA and milfoil that are horrible...As for depth I am hoping getting all of the water sucking trees and brush removed will help raise water level to normal pool, that along with getting the well working...Guessing we are 3 feet low on normal pool right now...The drought really put a hurting on our area...
I have to have my fish order in before Tuesday the 26th and am leaning on just FHM and maybe 5 Triploid Grass Carp...Just don't want to lose more fish and waste money...
As for the other house, nothing yet...With the offer not being sent in til Friday morning it kind of throws a curveball in the 2 day contract...
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Duckweed can become much more of a problem than the others.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Just got a call from my realtor and sounds like we are going to come to an agreement on this other house... Hmmmm, now I have a REAL reason to take interest in ponds!!!
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Congrats! The learning curve will be steep!
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What is my time frame on applying Whitecap?....Is Alligare a comparable product?...I can find it for about $30 cheaper for 8oz..
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The more I read the worse this is getting...Am I getting ahead of myself again?...Should I just chalk this year up on fish and go for weed control?...
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Missed the cutoff for carp this year, so I am putting all fish on hold for now...Probably the best...
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No biggie. It can be treated with chemicals this year and GC added next year.
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Duckweed and milfoil?... You might have duckweed and coontail.
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Duckweed and milfoil?... You might have duckweed and coontail.
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I will run up and pull some out of the pond and get some good pictures... But I guess the real question is treatment? Is it the same for all? With duckweed be present it is looking like that is one of the hardest to kill...
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