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Any recommend plants to add to a HBG,CC,FHM and future HSB pond? Should I just keep plants out?
If you ain't gonna fart, why eat the beans? . RES,HBG,YP,HSB,SMB,CC,and FHM. .seasonal trout.
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I would use only shallow growing emergent vegetation. Submergered vegetation will provided dense cover for the offspring of the HBG and you could easily get too many of them.
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Will the HBG be able to reproduce this year. I put them in in late October and they were about 2 inches. I want to wait on the HSB till fall to let FHM reproduce well.
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My best guess is you should see some reproduction from them this year. How long have the FHM been in the pond? You may not need to wait as long as you think...
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If you ain't gonna fart, why eat the beans? . RES,HBG,YP,HSB,SMB,CC,and FHM. .seasonal trout.
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Bill - how about some suggestions for the emergent plants. I have a similar situation as the OP. Want to control shoreline erosion and provide some fish habitat but don't want something too aggressive such as cattails. [quote][/quote]
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From previous posts From CJBS: There are a good number of marginal plants that will not take over your pond under most conditions and many are beneficial to wildlife as well. Species like arrow arum, pickeral weed, arrowhead, golden club, cardinal flower, dwarf cattail and a number of species of sedges are all species that look nice, shouldn't take over the edge of your pond and are fairly hardy to very hardy. From Cody: Advice so far is sound. Non-rampant types of introduced plants will compete for food and space against the primary aquatic weed invaders/colonizers which are almost alawys very fast spreaders - rampant types. Proper plants in proper areas provide good habitat and help stabilize the shoreline and sediments. Rampant types grow and spread fast and end up becoming a nuisance quickly and then needing controlled only after a few years. Here are several links to other discussions here about beneficial plants. Ask about any questions after reading through the topics: http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=36543&fpart=1http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=173681#Post173681http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=168238#Post168238http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=132478#Post132478http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=183256&fpart=1http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=151774#Post151774http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=103604#Post103604http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=36735#Post36735And lastly from the Archives - Lily Pad topics. Water lilies growing out from shore into water 2-5ft deep will help reduce medium height wave action. Lilies will not grow well along strong wind swept shorelines. http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=110943#Post110943My Favorite shoreline plants. Water iris native (Iris versicolor & I.fulva) and all Louisiana iris varieties, Yellow variety spreads too fast IMO by seeds. Yellow water iris could be okay with management in large ponds, lakes. Sweet flag, regular and variegated, Spike rush Eleocharis numerous species up to 3 ft tall. I like the shorter species. Best plant for shoreline protection in smaller ponds is IMO the needle or slender spikeush Eleocharis acicularis. It stays short, grows shallow to 12" deep, and grows dense. Arrow head - Sagittaria several species Pickerel plant blue is most common Lizard tail Marsh marigold smaller clump forming plant with roundish leaves and yellow flowers in very early spring. Shorter bull rush and sedges Genera: Scirpus and Juncus. Avoid the tall (up to 6-8ft tall) aggressive soft stem bulrush for ponds. Bullrush can grow up to at least 4 maybe 5ft deep and can be good habitat for lake situations. As CJ noted above dwarf cattail variety is an option. Regular cattails grow too tall and too deep for my preference in ponds. In large ponds and lakes regular cattails are useful.
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Appreciate your response. Great info as always.
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My best guess is you should see some reproduction from them this year. How long have the FHM been in the pond? You may not need to wait as long as you think... I just got off phone with Harrison hatchery in north Missouri. They are going to overnight me 25 HSB. I ask for the smallest ones he could send. He said 4 to 5 inches up to 75 total. Think I will go light on these for now. They also had yellow perch. Would it hurt my HSB,CC,HBG, and FHM pond to add them. Would be instresting to try to grow a state record yellow perch. The biggest one caught in missouri was at bull shouls on Arkansas border and I believe it's weight was around a pound. Thanks guys.
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Bill, I think you answered this for me before. Can't remember what it was or find it. Thanks.
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The HSB and CC will eat YP that will fit into their mouth so keep that in mind for the size of YP that you stock. Significantly smaller YP than the gape of the HSB-CC will result in low survival of the stocked YP. If this is a new pond and HSB are 4"-5" and CC are 4"-6" then 3"-4"+ YP will have good survial rate. If you want to grow big YP fast then try to purchase pellet trained YP.
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