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#319559 - 01/30/13 11:36 AM Sex of this bluegill?
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Time for a quiz on what you've learned here and the Pond Boss magazine.

The following is a picture of a bluegill that was presented for the "Fish Challenge" a special competition at the World Taxidermy Championships that will be in Illinois this year. The competitor has to mount a bluegill in the 6 1/2 to 8 inch size range and paint it exactly like the one in the photo.

Is it a male or female? And tell me why.

Have fun! grin

Hint: If you have no idea check the archives for a particular thread.





Edited by Cecil Baird1 (01/30/13 12:59 PM)
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#319563 - 01/30/13 11:50 AM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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It's an invisible metro-sexual.
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#319564 - 01/30/13 11:57 AM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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This is hard! wink


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#319570 - 01/30/13 12:10 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Omaha]
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Sorta like trying to paint a picture of a polar bear in a blizzard?
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#319580 - 01/30/13 12:57 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Sorry gentlemen!blush I sure wouldn't want a food fight to break out! grin (In reference to no picture initially!)

Here's the picture:



Thanks for PMing me Scott!



Edited by Cecil Baird1 (01/30/13 01:01 PM)
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#319582 - 01/30/13 01:03 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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I'd say M due to black scale tipping, and coloration, but opercular tab isn't really that large. My money is on Male.
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#319587 - 01/30/13 01:26 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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#319600 - 01/30/13 02:47 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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I'm with you guys too but a poster on the taxidermy website is questioning it's a male due to the short ear tab. My take on that is it's just one characteristic of a potential male and the other characteristics trump that in this case. I do have some definite males that don't have the longer ear tabs. Probably genetic.

You have to give him credit for noticing it. Most people don't have a clue. He's smarter than the average bear and does beautiful fish mounts.


Edited by Cecil Baird1 (01/30/13 02:48 PM)
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#319601 - 01/30/13 02:52 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Does the brow ridge mean anything, compared to this one that my daughter is holding?

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#319602 - 01/30/13 02:58 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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From - http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.ph...true#Post157117

Lets start with BG. Here is the preeminent thread to see about Bill , Bruce and Cecil's PB mag article.

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=103883&fpart=1














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#319604 - 01/30/13 03:02 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Eric...you almost lost us through the forest, but I'm here to say we need your vote!
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#319607 - 01/30/13 03:13 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Young male regular BG. IMO the ear tab is not short for that size fish.


Edited by ewest (01/30/13 03:14 PM)
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#319608 - 01/30/13 03:27 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Young undernourished male.. Scale tipping, head shape, long but not as long as most male ear flap..
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#319611 - 01/30/13 03:42 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Great information here!

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#319620 - 01/30/13 04:42 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Bluegillerkiller]
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Originally Posted By: Bluegillerkiller
Young undernourished male.. Scale tipping, head shape, long but not as long as most male ear flap..


Undernorished? Sure you're not spoiled by the robust fish we produce with feed in our ponds? grin It looks typical for the bluegills I catch in the local lakes.
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#319622 - 01/30/13 04:50 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Only one aspect looks female-ish to me. I'm going with male also.
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#319625 - 01/30/13 05:47 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
I'd say M due to black scale tipping, and coloration, but opercular tab isn't really that large. My money is on Male.


That is my vote, but ...

... back in 1969, a good friend (friend-girl, not girl friend) took me to see a show in one of San Francisco's better known theatres.

We were both about 22. I was a "squid" going to school at Treasure Island, and she was a local. I knew her because her dad and I were good friends through several hobbies we had in common.

She took me to Finnochoi's. Whoa -- I was impressed, if that is the right word, about the dancers and entertainers. Fantastic show!

At the end of the show, the performers all came out to take a final bow.

Yeesh! All those beauties were guys!

So, I'll reserve judgement on that fish.

May that fish live a happy life, whether a friend of Barney Frank or Hugh Heffner.
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#319626 - 01/30/13 05:52 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Non-parental male.
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#319633 - 01/30/13 07:05 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Originally Posted By: Bluegillerkiller
Young undernourished male.. Scale tipping, head shape, long but not as long as most male ear flap..


Undernorished? Sure you're not spoiled by the robust fish we produce with feed in our ponds? grin It looks typical for the bluegills I catch in the local lakes.


You could be right lol.. But it looked skinny and boney along its upper fin and thin/skinny "forehead".
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#319635 - 01/30/13 07:12 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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m.. but don't put it in your male only bg pond..

i'm assuming that isn't a csbg, right? just some random native bg?

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#319637 - 01/30/13 07:27 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Looks native or northern too me..
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#319644 - 01/30/13 08:07 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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There is a 'fair amount' of variability in shape-size of the male BG ear flap depending on where they are collected. It does depend. The key item when sexing male and female BG is to see several mature males and females and hopefully different year classes from the same body of water at any one point in the annual cycle. That will give one a good indication of the characters of each sex of mature BG for that day/month.

Based on the above picture alone that bluegill is a male and like some have aptly noted probably a young mature male maybe his first spawning season. I base my ID on 1. prominant black scale tipping on nape extending backward toward the dorsal fin; 2. burnt orange gular color which is very rare on mature females; 3. dark pigmentation on on the webbing of the rear part of the soft dorsal, although it is not prominant; 4. body hue has some purple and other colors typical of many males in it; 5. gill flap shape is well within the variation of typical mature male BG. All the above features combine to indicate male leaving very little if any doubt in my mind. To bet big money on the sex or stock it as a male in my pond, I would have to see several males and females from the same pond.

CB1 send my post or a link to this thead to the poster on the taxidermy website questioning it's a male due to the short ear tab. IMO his problem is he is using basically only one feature to recognize male BG and not considering the whole package that characterizes a mature male BG.


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#319646 - 01/30/13 08:27 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: AaronM]
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m.. but don't put it in your male only bg pond..

i'm assuming that isn't a csbg, right? just some random native bg?


Actually I don't know where it was caught. Most likely in the south though.
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#319647 - 01/30/13 08:31 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Bill Cody]
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There is a 'fair amount' of variability in shape-size of the male BG ear flap depending on where they are collected. It does depend. The key item when sexing male and female BG is to see several mature males and females and hopefully different year classes from the same body of water at any one point in the annual cycle. That will give one a good indication of the characters of each sex of mature BG for that day/month.

Based on the above picture alone that bluegill is a male and like some have aptly noted probably a young mature male maybe his first spawning season. I base my ID on 1. prominant black scale tipping on nape extending backward toward the dorsal fin; 2. burnt orange gular color which is very rare on mature females; 3. dark pigmentation on on the webbing of the rear part of the soft dorsal, although it is not prominant; 4. body hue has some purple and other colors typical of many males in it; 5. gill flap shape is well within the variation of typical mature male BG. All the above features combine to indicate male leaving very little if any doubt in my mind. To bet big money on the sex or stock it as a male in my pond, I would have to see several males and females from the same pond.

CB1 send my post or a link to this thead to the poster on the taxidermy website questioning it's a male due to the short ear tab. IMO his problem is he is using basically only one feature to recognize male BG and not considering the whole package that characterizes a mature male BG.


Actually Bill I've already said pretty much the same things you did. His reply was maybe it's a "Pat" fish as in the character on Saturday Night Live. LOL
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#319654 - 01/30/13 09:31 PM Re: Sex of this bluegill? [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Us Pondmeisters have to remember that fish in managed ponds (read that as ponds with supplemental feeding, be it pellets or copious amounts of forage fish) will have much greater WR's than "wild" fish. Even tho this forum is about ponds, not all the fish pictured are from managed ponds.

My how quickly we get spoiled! wink (Myself included)

A friend was jumping for joy when he caught a fat 8" BG a few years ago in my pond. He didn't believe me when I told him that there were BG in the pond that were at least 10" and possibly 11" long until he caught one. It ruined BG fishing for him on public waters around his home town forever. laugh
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