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#317187 - 01/11/13 02:11 AM Flu shot.
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How do you guys feel about it.
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#317188 - 01/11/13 02:30 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I was headed out of the country for a bit and this years is hitting very hard and early so I took mine, and I rarely do. It throws you off a little for a week, but protects against some of the flu strains. My mom's a nurse and has had people of all ages going in with the flu and staying because of complications. I recommend early and and yearly from now on, and I hate needles.

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#317189 - 01/11/13 07:35 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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#317190 - 01/11/13 07:44 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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My wife and I always get our flu shots and I donít understand why some donít unless it might be a financial burden on them. Getting a pneumonia shot is a good idea also.
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#317194 - 01/11/13 08:28 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Never had the flu or a flu shot.
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#317195 - 01/11/13 08:37 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Some years yes, others no. This year....no.....got some kind of bug on 12/31, and still have it lingering on 1/11. Is it the flu? No one will ever know!
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#317197 - 01/11/13 08:38 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: Omaha]
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Getting the flu shot is a personal decision, atleast untill the government decides to make it mandatory.
Never had the flu and can't see getting injected with something I don't need.

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#317199 - 01/11/13 08:51 AM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Getting a flu shot is a good idea unless you are trying to bolster your immune system by getting the flu. The risks are like not wearing a seat belt. I do not support a government requirement except for maybe healthcare workers and teachers (so they do not infect others), because we all should have the right to be foolish. I was too lazy to get mine this year, so I fit the category.

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#317234 - 01/11/13 12:50 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Originally Posted By: Jwwann
How do you guys feel about it.

We actually offer the FLU shot on site free for employees that get insurance thru the company and will payroll deduct $15 for those that do not have health insurance here. I have 9 employees out today and all have the FLU. All 9 employees chose not to get the Flu shot & for 6 of the 9 the shot was even free. With that being said I still stand for freedom of choice.

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#317236 - 01/11/13 12:59 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I get the shot, I've had a bad case of the flu when I didn't get the shot. Many times I had heard someone say that they got the shot and then the next week the had the flu. Guess what, it takes about 6 days for you to get the flu after you are exposed and it also takes 2 weeks for the shot to take effect. People think the shot gave them the flu when in fact that already had the flu but the symptons had not shown up yet. There is about a three week window where you might get the flu after getting the shot which has absolutely nothing to do with the vaccination.

And, if you have ever had measles you SHOULD get a shingles shot. My 92 year old uncle nearly died from shingles last year and I saw this WWII hero naval captain double over in pain with them. I told the doctor that I think that if I had driven uncle Chet to a bridge and stopped the car he would have gotten out and jumped, that is how much pain he had. The pain lasted 6 week.

But I too stand for freedom of choice. As the old country song says, "Don't we all have the right to be wrong now and then?"

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#317242 - 01/11/13 01:20 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Flu shot is one of the greatest medical discoveries, why not get it.. I bet thousands of people die yearly from the flu.. Hard #'s aren't easy to find because flu deaths don't have to be reported as..

I'd say if you can get it, get it.. If not and don't want it don't. Don't complain when your laid up either smile .

Government mandate is a Joke.. Political crap like every single subject the last 10 yrs..

Sorry got a little ranty there smile
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#317249 - 01/11/13 02:09 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Strange things happen. An hour after my post on here my sister called me. Her next door neighbor, who she has lived next to for 30 years, has had flu for three days (of course no vaccination). She got out of bed, walked to the living room to lay down on the couch, and her husband discovered an hour later that she had died. 63 years old. We do all have the right to be wrong now and then, dead wrong.
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#317252 - 01/11/13 02:15 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Sorry to here that Bing. I have never got one in my 31 years. I may have to rethink that decision.
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#317254 - 01/11/13 02:19 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I thought they were required when we were small kids Jwann back in school..
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#317259 - 01/11/13 02:33 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I was never sure that 'the flu' or 'influenza' wasn't just some all-emcompassing word to describe being sick especially with an upset stomach or the craps.

As such, I'm not sure if I've ever even had the 'the flu.'
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#317260 - 01/11/13 02:33 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I've never gotten a flu shot either, and have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future. Maybe if I ever had the misfortune to come down with a severe case, I'd give it more thought the following year. As it stands now, whenever the virus makes its annual visit I usually display flu symptoms for a day or two, then I'm on the mend. It's never kept me home from work, or sent me to the doctor's office.

I do believe that there are groups at a higher than average risk from complications resulting from contracting the flu, and I think they would be wise in considering the shot. The elderly, younger children, healthcare workers, and those whose overall health is already compromised in some fashion, would be an example.
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#317263 - 01/11/13 02:55 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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@Sunil
You bring up a great point. It wasn't until I had the flu that I knew what the flu really was. Most the time people just have something similar to food poisoning and think it's the flu. The real flu will knock you out for a week and you'll only remember it being three days with all the sleep.
Different severity in different years it was throws people off too. This year up in the NW it's an early and hard hitting strain, while two years ago late and not too bad.

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#317266 - 01/11/13 03:18 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Same experience for me. I only have had the flu once - back during Y2K. I will not forget it!

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#317270 - 01/11/13 03:33 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: sprkplug]
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
whenever the virus makes its annual visit I usually display flu symptoms for a day or two, then I'm on the mend. It's never kept me home from work, or sent me to the doctor's office.


My company cultures different strains of things for medical use and growing vaccines, etc, so for us, it is fairly well mandatory (although they can't tell us it is mandatory).

I felt the same way as sprkplug for a long, long time, i never had a flu shot in my early years, and then, while writing my thesis @ 23, holy, crazy, bouncy balls did i get the flu.

Day 1, not so bad, just like any other flu ive ever gotten. day 2...yeah, this sucks, nose plugged up, sinuses hurt, some stomach issues, shaking and shivering all the time, but hey, i've had a fever before, no biggie. day 3....uuuhhh.....am i dead? is this real life? i didnt know things could spontaneously eject themselves from EVERY hole in my body at once, sweating while freezing and head hurt so bad i couldn't turn on the lights, couldn't keep down water or crackers, had to hydrate myself by sucking on ice cubes so i would just get a trickle at a time to absorb into my stomach lining, waking up with my sheets & pillow soaking wet with persperation, and even though i haven't eaten anything, needing to use the john once every 20 minutes, ...day 4....dehydrated, half asleep on theraflu, i stumbled into the campus dr's office. the thing that stuck with me for life after that misery...."you didn't get a flu shot, did you....well, that ought to learn 'ya." It took 3 or 4 more days to feel better, with another trip to the dr to hydrate via IV, since i couldn't hold down water.

yeah, even before i got my current job, i would never go a year without a flu shot again. i've had some weird maladies in my life, and that experience was as bad, if not worse, than the majority of them, including norovirus, rotovirus, food poisoning and having my foot opened up for surgery.

however....it is not my, nor anyone else's job (exceptions made for doctors and wives, of course) to tell you which medications you must take. I just hope that you do, cuz seriously, you dont want that. if you've never had to deal with that level of flu, im glad for you, because it is pure misery.

thanks, sorry for the length of the story
skinny


Edited by skinnybass (01/11/13 03:41 PM)
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#317303 - 01/11/13 08:19 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: skinnybass]
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O.K. Just silly questions.

Does the strain of flu that gets the majority of people sick every year stay the same or change?

If it changes, how does the vaccination work? Do they know what strain will be going around and vaccinate for that strain?
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#317306 - 01/11/13 08:39 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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The strain changes, but the vaccines are cultured from an educated guess. The way I understand it, there are thousands of worldwide strains of influenza, but a small number here. Sometimes the labs hit it right, and sometimes they don't.

I always get a shot for the same reasons I have good homeowner's insurance. I hope I never need it, but would feel silly if i didn't get the shot.

Me being in public safety, and my wife being an SICU nurse at Parkland for years, it made sense for us just because of the volume of sick people we came in contact with. You would be very surprised at the number of people who still don't wash their hands, or cover their mouth when they sneeze.



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#317307 - 01/11/13 08:51 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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I got flu shots when I was taking care of my elderly Mom a few years ago, but never did before and haven't since. I'm not a doctor, so take it with a grain of salt, but I tend to think flu shots are a big scam $$$$$$...there's lots of info on YouTube and Google that explain it better than I can. Of course the "medical establishment" highly recommends it. So I say study the pro's and cons and make your own personal decision...2EachHisOwn.
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#317309 - 01/11/13 09:45 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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My work provides the flu vaccine for free. This year was the first year I ever got one because of having a newborn in the house. I've never had the flu, but my wife had it last year and I know several others who have had it or have it now. You will know when you have it... It really beats you up. If you are in question, you probably had a cold or other less serious virus.

As to how effective the flu vaccine is. Each year it varies, this year they are saying those who got the vaccine are 62% less likely to get the flu. And for those who did get the vaccine and were still unlucky enough to get the flu, they tend to not get symptoms nearly as bad as those who did not.

I am friends with a couple of doctors. They are not in a position to make profit off of providing a flu vaccine. They both think it is a good idea. If you can afford it, I would get it.
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#317316 - 01/11/13 10:28 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: Zep]
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Originally Posted By: Zep
I got flu shots when I was taking care of my elderly Mom a few years ago, but never did before and haven't since. I'm not a doctor, so take it with a grain of salt, but I tend to think flu shots are a big scam $$$$$$...there's lots of info on YouTube and Google that explain it better than I can. Of course the "medical establishment" highly recommends it. So I say study the pro's and cons and make your own personal decision...2EachHisOwn.


I wonder if my sisters neighbor's widowed husband thinks his wife would still have died if she had gotten the shot. (See my earlier post]. This year no one who got the vaccination has died of the flu, and they seldom if ever do. Twenty Seven people in Illinois have died of the flu so far this flu season. None had been vaccinated.
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#317319 - 01/11/13 11:00 PM Re: Flu shot. [Re: John Wann]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Does the strain of flu that gets the majority of people sick every year stay the same or change?

If it changes, how does the vaccination work? Do they know what strain will be going around and vaccinate for that strain?


Influenza A viruses are the "same" the world over, but certain markers on the surface change season to season-which prevents the development of lasting, permanent immunity, such as to mumps or measles.
The CDC tries to predict which strains will be active in the northern hemisphere by looking at what was most prevalent in the preceding winter in the southern hemisphere; sometimes they're spot on [which appears to be the case this year] and sometimes not even close. A couple years ago, they completely missed the mark and the shot offered no protection.
There is some evidence that getting a flu shot every year leads to the development of "pooled immunity" to influenza strains, giving one some lasting protection.

Influenza A is a predominently respiratory infection, if you've got much in the way of GI symptoms, you probably don't have it. If you're in bed for a week, think you're going to die, and wish you could, that's probably influenza.

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