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Back to the illegal plants... One of my board of directors who is big into aquaponics was asked if he'd be interested in consulting in Columbia. When he found out what they wanted to grow and who the client was he said, "Hell no!"

Hey I wonder if you could grow pot aquaponically now in Colorado and Washington state legally? If so it's time to be one of the first and get a brand name going. LOL

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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I was told by a very knowledgeable person that it's typical to have unheated water about 2 degrees below ambient temp. Don't ask me why but I have some guesses.


My money is on evaporative cooling.........


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Originally Posted By: esshup
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I was told by a very knowledgeable person that it's typical to have unheated water about 2 degrees below ambient temp. Don't ask me why but I have some guesses.


My money is on evaporative cooling.........


That's what I was guessing.

If I ever need to bring trout inside from fall to spring not heating the water would definitely make it feasible. Of course the biofilter would have to be oversized due to the cooler water.

Just waiting on my O.K. from the INDNR to make arrangements to pick up the trout from Nelski. I hit the well tank pit hard with PP and will also do so with the trout pond tomorrow (it's at full pool now). Then once the water goes from pink to brown I will flush it into my big pond and keep the well running to top off the big pond.

Allegedly the PP does a great job of abolishing parasites and also does some oxidizing of the organic material on the pond bottom.

I'm also going to salt dip the brookies in saltwater strength water before putting them into the pond.

The following may or may not have been parasites the last time I had brookies. It could have also been fighting. All I know was I was losing a few trout every week.




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That 2nd pic looks like a parasite to me. If they were fighting, I think the lines would be straighter.


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That's what I as thinking but couldn't get anyone to verify - even a fish pathologist. I was told to take a swab and get a microscope which I don't have. I was going to take a few to Purdue for testing and but that's a whole nother story.

I'm going to start another post in regarding that and the PP treatment today. I've already hijacked Bruce's thread enough.


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Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
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The coffee pot thing was in reference to evaporation of water. Heat is one thing that increases evaporation rate. Coffee pot was not pumping enough water to keep some of the water from going to steam, which was why I ended up with some really strong coffee. Leave a coffee pot on for a while, even if it works good, the water will still evaporate, leaving you with some potentially, not so nice stuff.

We don't really care about the flavor of coffee at this point, just that things can get nasty due to heat.

Salt don't evaporate!
So what I did was purchase an ultrasonic level sensor. Level Sensor
It's repeatable to within 0.019", and that should give me a pretty decent rate of evaporation. I'll also have thermocouples that will measure ambient and water temperature. Analog input was another 280 bucks.

Sounds like a bit much, but I could potentially be away for several days at a time. Automation is a reasonable answer for me.

The reason I mentioned impractical, is it could get expensive to control things in a decent form.

Been looking at the Arduino stuff. Pretty reasonable for what it is. Pretty sure you can use this as the controller and beef it up for outputs with hardened devices.

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Got my EchoPod today. Pretty cute little gizmo grin

Dwight could put one of these on Bremmer Pond and forgo the pvc pipe with the drilled holes and the magic marker stuff. Pretty sure he could fit it on one of his FIVE screens wink

You can run current signals about 1000 feet. Good practice would be to keep it about a foot away from current carrying conductors, if running parallel.
They make direct bury wire for this, which ain't very expensive.

Got a couple going in at a farm up north from here.

I am addicted to gizmos eek grin wink

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Just remember Phil: the more gizmos you have the more that can go wrong!

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Cecil, you should be able to get a used dissecting microscope for cheap ($50-$100 on eBay). Spend a little bit of money and you can get one with a digital camera port.

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Not really Cecil. Need to get the good stuff!

If you know what you are doing, you won't have any issues, and if you do, ya know what you are doing and have a backup!

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Perhaps. Too much calibration for me.If you don't regularly calibrate that stuff it can really be off.

I'm a kiss principal guy cause I'm stupid. LOL

I notice the successful PHD down the road that grows out hybrid striped bass for the gourmet market in Chicago prefers to keep it simple too. And he has a BIG operation!

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One time setup Cecil. No other calibration required. These are considered Absolute Scales. Quite a few gizmos out there today do not need calibration.

Since 2005 there has been one of these measuring the level of an 8600 lake. Works like a charm. This is the feedback device for controlling the dam. Quite reliable!

I know a couple PHD's, and PE's that are absolutely great in their respective lines of work. They walk into my world, or any other world for that matter, and they can be totally lost. I walk into their world, the same could easily happen.

Anyway, just a fun hobby!

Hmmmmm... How do I convince 5000 2" WE that I am just messing with them and they need to cooperate on my terms?

I am in deep, you know what!

Bill Cody, Your PM box work???

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Bill doesn't look at his PM's much. You need to email him. :-)


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I now, as in the last year, look at my PMs daily and I have no new messages today Nov 17. If I'm not answering, I'm not getting the PMs.
WE fingerlings like darkened conditions with a very faint light near one end or corner for seeing feed and feeding. Feed training WE are difficult which is why feed trained WE are rare and few if any do it. YOY walleye 2" long in November. Are they stunted? 2012 year class WE should be 5"-9" long. I got some last month that were 7"-10", very nice fish.

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Raised at a fish farm in the UP.

I won't bug you with PM's.

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No bother - we are here to help with information if we have the information to provide. Sometimes there is no good reliable information about how to do some 'out of the box' ideas and some new endeavers or plans. Everyone here basically provides opinions.
So the WE fertilized eggs were held 'suspended' to not develop or the eggs were held then fertilized later?

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Maybe they were spawned late as in the water of Lake Superior!

Sorry Phil couldn't help myself.


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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
No bother - we are here to help with information if we have the information to provide. Sometimes there is no good reliable information about how to do some 'out of the box' ideas and some new endeavers or plans. Everyone here basically provides opinions.
So the WE fertilized eggs were held 'suspended' to not develop or the eggs were held then fertilized later?


These will be 2013 hatch and will be 2" the first week of July.(what the gal told me) That's when they start selling them. I know it is a big risk, but something I wanted to try. This farm supplies the vast majority of WE in MI. I don't think it would be a good idea to wait till they are larger in the fall. I've talked to a few people and am going to try something similar to a hatchery in Canada. I have a lot of work to do before then. Minimum order was way more than I want, but that's what I have to deal with. Ever have something bugging ya that ya just have to try, even tho it might not work?

Looks like they shut their website down for the season.

Bill- They have both Lake Michigan and Superior/Huron strains. I am not finding any info that differentiates one from the other as far as one being more suitable. Any thoughts, or not really an issue?

Bruce's thread got hijacked pretty bad blush

I'll start a new thread on this subject at a later date.

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Don't worry...I'll just hijack it right back later. smile smile

I'm working on posting pictures.


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I was hoping that pictures were in the works!

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I would have done it earlier, but photobucket has decided to make everybody's life miserable!


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Mine works fine, even with the new format.



Can't believe that it's been almost 2 years since I buried Luna. She is the gal up front. cry

Luna was 7 when she contracted a quite rare form of cancer. Specialist knew very little about it, and not much could be done.
The other dog, Oreo, is about 12-13 now, and still going. We are buddies!

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A little over two weeks ago, I brought some bluegill and redear sunfish indoors. In my best dreams, I would get some growth, but my minimum goal was to ensure some survival of redear sunfish, because they are hard to acquire in good shape around here during the spring.

So far I have 100% survival! My water has remained clear, and my pH strips have indicated consistantly good water quality and stability.

I've been replacing about 50 gallons of water each week. I do not have a true "biofilter" yet, but the four tube socks that the water flows through appear to be doing the job of keeping the water clean. The "sniff test" of the socks when I'm rinsing them indicates nitrifying bacterial colonies within the socks. They smell just like every biofilter I've ever been around. I'm also using chemicals I buy at the pet store to make certain that the incoming water is conducive to good slime layer, and not high in iron and other metals and chemicals.

I am wildly excited about the fact that my fish are going ballistic over the frozen krill and bloodworm cubes I'm dropping in daily. I'm getting them on sale at PetSmart, and they are only costing me 10 cents per cube. Using four cubes a day, and even if I eventually get up to ten, I'm at $1/day which I'd be very pleased with over the next 3-4 months. Here are some pictures...


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Upper right corner is water conditioning tank. Water comes in from the rural water district through a garden hose. I add a very inexpensive liquid to condition the water. There is also another tank just like it that is not in the picture, so one of these may give me another option to add fish for the winter.

The tank that is housing the fish is about 225 gallons and the water is crystal clear. The pump is something I got at the Pond Boss conference, and it is running water vertically through a hose that dribbles through a quadruple tube sock filter. The O2 tank is there for emergency backup. The tank in the lower right is where I siphon the solid waste to. Then I have the local kid, who helps me, take the water out of the tank and waters my trees with it. Ironically, I treat the water in the waste tank with Pond Zingers that I got at the Pond Boss conference and it turns so clear that I have some fish that live right underneath the zinger. They just nestle up to it. My thought is that in the summer I will put tilapia in the waste tank. They'll probably grow in it! smile


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