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I'd do both. If the bowl fix doesn't work, you've lost another 6 months, maybe more in getting the pond completed. Gotta think about stocking fish, letting them grow, etc., etc. If bowl fix doesn't work, then the landscaping around the pond has to go too to vix the dam.
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Now to persuade him to do both. Im going to go ahead and drain pond this week so in the slim chance it does rain I don't gotta worry about blow out and it will be ready to go when ever he makes it back to repair. He did say on phone last night he done core with 1foot lifts then ran over it 20 time with track loader. That set an Alarm off in my head. Seems like I read on here somewhere to make core in 4" lifts. He won't be happy when I tell him to start from scratch. Hope he don't get mad and not come back.
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The track loader don't pack it that well. Even a heavier farm tractor with a coarse tread would be better. Tracks just float on the surface. A Sheepsfoot roller helps knit each layer together. Good luck, it sounds like a touchy situation.
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I would seek the advice of a lawyer before deciding what to do or giving this guy any more money. Many lawyers will give you the initial consult free. Get the new work order in writing, he sold you a pond that wasn't fit to be a pond in the first place. You might be better off hiring someone else since he's not backing up his original work and charging you more to "fix" his work. What a nightmare.
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Yeah, that was the whole impetus behind developing tracked vehicles....less ground compaction, enabling them to work in soft, or swampy bottom soils.
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6" lifts are talked about on here, and using either a sheepsfoot roller or a mulit-tired scraper that has a pan full of dirt for weight. The layers need to be packed down but also "knitted" together. You are shooting for intertwining the layers, not having layers laying on top of each other like sheets of paper.
If the clay is too dry or too wet it won't compact correctly either.
I've heard the story about making a ball of clay and throwing it against the door of the pickup. If it sticks there, it's the correct consistency.
Like Sprkplug said, tracks are made to float over soft soil, not sinking in. Not exactly the thing you want for compaction.
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Yea unfortunately I think the days of a firm hand shake being the contract are over.
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Still, maybe this falls under Implied warranty of merchantability. "An implied warranty of merchantability is a warranty implied by law that goods are reasonably fit for the general purpose for which they are sold."
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I think he only has track loader, backhoe, BobCat , and dump truck. Anybody know an estimate to rent small sheep foot roller. I will prob being paying for that too. I just wonder if it was packed right to begin with if I would even be having these problems. He blames dirt but my neighbors pond don't leak a drop.
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I feel for you. Been there,done that!My first builder tried to say the clay was no good, when in reality he didn't know what he was doing. Have your gotten another builder to look at it, and give an opinion?
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Unfortunatly ponds are something that won't show problems until after the bill is paid and equipment moved out. The track loader probably did very little good with compaction. It would be expensive to redo it, but that might be your best option. I would def. not pay this guy any more money. I would get legal advice before proceeding just to see what your options are. You did take pictures of the leaks right? And would also get another builder to give an estimate to fix this guys work.
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There are pics at start of thread. I have many more on this phone. I will make video of problems too.
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I second the suggestion of getting another opinion from a known successful pond builder before having that guy back and paying him more $$.
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Just found out last night I have friend of family who is soil expert. He is coming up this week to take a look at it. He knows all about clay and other soils. The tough part will be into core for him to look at.
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If he doesn't have a coring tool, see if the local NRCS does. Some do, some don't.
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Will do. I was going to use auger but I might get tool. I got a video of leak loading on YouTube now. Will have it up soon.
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Here is a poor quality video I made with my iPhone. Notice how the whole dam is moist. 5 leaks and pond is not even half full. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De9-7RIEL5g
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I think that just reinforces that compacting the core with tracks doesn't pack it tight enough.
After seeing that I wouldn't just plate the basin, the dam needs work 'cause it's not doing it's job.
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Soil expert just left. To much sand in my clay. He suggested buying that clay and redoing whole core.
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Not good news, but at least now you know what's wrong and what direction to take.
What did he say about the pond basin and the soil under the pond? Do you have to plate the whole basin?
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He said just redo whole core with hauled in clay and I should be fine. The problem is in the core.
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Can't find a sheepsfoot roller anywhere around me. Not sure how to get this clay packed. He only has the loader. What should I do.
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Call your local Cat heavy equipment dealer and ask, or JD or......
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