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OK, I'm doing a balncing act to keep this thread from going kaput.
The world needs more food than ethanol.
My professional opinion - we have enough proven O&G reserves in this nation to be totally energy independet for the next 50+ years and time enough to develop proven alternative energy technology. I agree. There is a reason that natural gas has dropped from $12 and MCF to $3 (was 2 about a mth ago). That reason is lots of new reserves in many locations from Penn/NY/WV to Cal and from Montana to Texas. That does not even count offshore and Canada. Same for oil from TX to Alaska.
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OK, I'm doing a balncing act to keep this thread from going kaput.
The world needs more food than ethanol.
My professional opinion - we have enough proven O&G reserves in this nation to be totally energy independet for the next 50+ years and time enough to develop proven alternative energy technology. I agree. There is a reason that natural gas has dropped from $12 and MCF to $3 (was 2 about a mth ago). That reason is lots of new reserves in many locations from Penn/NY/WV to Cal and from Montana to Texas. That does not even count offshore and Canada. Same for oil from TX to Alaska. Not to mention the advancements in hydraulic fracture techniques. Technology is amazing. Just think about how things were done 100 years as compared to now.
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Not to mention supply and demand and the value of the Dollar verses the British Pound and the Euro has risen. Magic.......there's more oil and gas in them thar holes than there was 40 years ago..................
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Not to mention supply and demand and the value of the Dollar verses the British Pound and the Euro has risen. Magic.......there's more oil and gas in them thar holes than there was 40 years ago.................. Had a guy from a company that did a lot of surveying in this area for oil company said there is plenty of oil at 25,000 feet. It is just not effective to go after it.
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When the U.S. currency was based on precious metals.....gas is no more expensive today that it was in 1963. Still at around 15 cents a gallon.
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OK, I'm doing a balncing act to keep this thread from going kaput.
The world needs more food than ethanol.
My professional opinion - we have enough proven O&G reserves in this nation to be totally energy independet for the next 50+ years and time enough to develop proven alternative energy technology. I agree. There is a reason that natural gas has dropped from $12 and MCF to $3 (was 2 about a mth ago). That reason is lots of new reserves in many locations from Penn/NY/WV to Cal and from Montana to Texas. That does not even count offshore and Canada. Same for oil from TX to Alaska. Fracturing of oil and gas formations technology has been around for many years, back to early days of nitroglycerin, and directional drilling has been used for many years. It is digital technology and sophistication of this technology that will solve the energy problem in our country and bring changes to third world countries. Can you imagine controlling a drill bit miles beneath the surface and transmitting rock and fluid properties to the surface in real time? I am familiar with the delopment of this technology and it is exciting. Economics are interesting. And yeah this involves farming and the extreme drought conditions we are now suffering: A barrel of oil BTU equivalent = ~6,000,000 BTU Current cost about $85.00 Natural gas BTU per thousand cubic feet = ~1,000,000 BTU Current cost about $2.50/mcf Do the math….. we have 50 – 100 years of proven natural gas in this country. Put the transmission and delivery infrastructure in place and we won’t have to use corn to produce ethanol. Again my opinion only…..
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Not to mention that natural gas burns cleaner than every other fuel we "burn"...
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In related news: My "check engine" light came on so I went to a local auto shop
and asked them to check (they have a simple devise that they use and it takes about 2 minutes). He said that ethanol in the gas was the problem - gets one person a day with this issue.
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Got 3/10" this afternoon! I know it's not much, but it's more than we've had in many weeks. The storm has moved on to the east, I hope my neighbors in the county next door get some also.
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Just got a brief downpour here. Grass has been turning greener since the 3 1/2 inches we got in a couple of days last week.
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Nothing here in southwestern Boone county. Powder dry even 8 foot down in the new pond being built. Glad our vegetables have irrigation from our main pond! Bumper crop this year, like irrigated land in the desert.
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We got a bit of the wet stuff this past week. Pond out back is looking better today.
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It does look like natural gas will be the future power for our cars and trucks but why can't the infrastructure building start taking place on a massive scale right now. That would give the economy a huge boost I would think. New cars with the new engines and conversion of our used cars. And gas to export overseas.
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Dry in Central OK after 50% chance of rain on Thursday. It started south of us.
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John if I said why I think we aren't using natural gas, I would get moderated.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
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Dave, that's exactly why I danced around the subject when I brought it up!!!
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John if I said why I think we aren't using natural gas, I would get moderated. Oh come on brother! Testify! Tell us how you really feel! LOL!
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Not to be an instigator, but would you buy a car that ran on something where you were not sure of where you could fill up? The issue is how much of our tax dollers should be invested in creating the infrastructure and giving car makers insentives to produce natural-gas cars verses increasing US oil production? - and how about companies that are using cheap natural gas and do not want to fund competition for this fuel?
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No politics PULEEZE .... or this thread will be gone in a heartbeat...  ....just science... Natural gas has many uses other than motor fuel. Fertilizer for you corn crop - chems for your ponds - clothes on your back - shoes on your feet - yeah, even synfuels....etc....etc... OH, since it's supposed to be 105+ this week, I forgot - heat for your homes - no more imported heating oil!!!
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Back to the drought....... Got a few sprinkles where I live in central Oklahoma yesterday, but it's over for the foreseeable future. It's 103 degrees and humid with very little breeze. As I watch all the bushes, plants,crops, and garden turn brown and die, my sense of urgency to water begins to wain. I've made a diligent effort to water everything on our property, but I can't keep enough water on the stuff to do any good. My wife has given her plants more attention than me and she's in tears as she watches her Washington Hawthorns, Crapemyrtles, etc. succumb from the intense heat, lack of cloud cover, rain, and grasshoppers. Talking about a hopeless feeling! Our 1.5 acre pond is now knee deep. It used to be 30+ foot deep. I expect it to be dry in another 3 weeks. Our second pond dried up a few days ago. We really needs the remnants of a hurricane to cross over Texas and Oklahoma and dump 15+ inches of rain in a three day period just to get all the ponds, lakes, and reservoirs back up to normal, but that ain't gonna happen. The tropics have never been this calm for so long. We may not have a hurricane season......
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I am dumping 2000 gallons a week on one of my orchards just to keep 40 trees alive. Have to haul the water 1/2 mile just to get to the orchard. Really need some serious rain.
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I hope you get it Lassig. We were in the same boat here but now everything is green and have to cut the grass tomorrow. So there's hope!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Not to be an instigator, but would you buy a car that ran on something where you were not sure of where you could fill up? The issue is how much of our tax dollers should be invested in creating the infrastructure and giving car makers insentives to produce natural-gas cars verses increasing US oil production? - and how about companies that are using cheap natural gas and do not want to fund competition for this fuel? I thought I read somewhere that Walmart was offering to not only install converter kits to convert cars to natural gas but also have it available at there stores? I was looking for a link but didn't find it.
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We got a sprinkle last night, .04" on the gauge this morning, this brings us to .14" of rain in the last 6 weeks.  http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/ 
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