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#289044 - 04/24/12 01:02 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Jimmi]
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If they're small and black they're probably toad tadpoles.
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#289163 - 04/24/12 10:42 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Jimmi]
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#289165 - 04/24/12 10:45 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: ozarkstriperscom]
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I got toads..... What do the others look like. Do we have a tadpole id chart anywhere?

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#292244 - 05/18/12 10:28 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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UPDATE:

Bob Lusk, Bruce and Chris spent some time at my pond couple weeks back after the NE Pond Boss Conference, and Bob remarked he couldn't believe how many tadpoles I had. I told him my fish won't apparently touch them, and they run rampant. He said:

"Of course not - bullfrog tadpoles excrete a pheromone that makes them distasteful to fish. It's only after they reach adult stage, as a frog, that fish will target them."

There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
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#292251 - 05/18/12 11:29 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
Well that and the fact that Bruce Condello keeps putting BF tadpoles in your ponds.
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#292256 - 05/18/12 11:48 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: jeffhasapond]
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Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57

There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
Well that and the fact that Bruce Condello keeps putting BF tadpoles in your ponds.


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#292257 - 05/18/12 11:54 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Bob also said these sell for $.50/ea and that's just wholesale pricing - says he gets dozens of requests annually, and now he has a source.

So, laugh it up JHAP while you're reviewing my BF Tadpole balance sheet next April!

And Josh, welcome aboard. You are now my Director of Product Distribution for Hudland Hatchery. You will be paid in pondweed...
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#292258 - 05/18/12 11:56 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Yesssss! I will get business cards made up immediately.
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#292350 - 05/18/12 10:40 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Omaha]
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Josh, you can probably re-invest that pondweed in the forage ponds, and let the 401K grow..... wink grin
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#292354 - 05/18/12 10:47 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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You are on to something Scott. I think I can comfortably retire in 10 years with a solid pondweed investment.
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#292356 - 05/18/12 10:50 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Whoa now! Who mentioned anything about benefits?
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#292361 - 05/18/12 11:00 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state).

So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"...
"target practice".... I heard that. terrible smile Shame on you! smile
Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something!
SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";)

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#292688 - 05/19/12 11:42 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Whoa now! Who mentioned anything about benefits?


Should've read the fine print. Damn.
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#292690 - 05/19/12 11:47 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Stacy4Stubby]
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Originally Posted By: Stacy4Stubby
well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state).

So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"...
"target practice".... I heard that. terrible smile Shame on you! smile
Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something!
SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";)



That's pretty wild how different waters can be across the states. Every seine literally had thousands of tadpoles. My son's right there with you Stacy. When he was helping us he tried to save as many as he could, as impossible a task as that was.

So, understanding that most fish will not utilize BF tadpoles as forage, can this be considered a bad thing? I mean, they eventually sprout legs, at which time they likely become food, so they're eaten, just not immediately.
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#292851 - 05/21/12 09:13 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Omaha]
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This topic reminded me of a conversation I had with a Nebraska biologist about this very subject. Here's what he said.

"I ain't saying that fish will not eat them, but I don't think they like them very much."

Shorty also chimed in.

"Certain types of tadpoles DO leave a bad taste in a fishes mouth and fish DO learn to avoid certain types of tadpoles. If you are going to use tadpoles for bait you need to be selective."


Tadpoles have been low on my bait list for a long time. Back in college I ran across a scientific study about largemouth learning to avoid certain types of tadpoles while doing research for a term paper.

I had a large tadpole hatch in my pond a few weeks ago. As a test I tossed one of the small black tads in my RAS system and the SMB took turns sucking in the tad and spitting it out, the tad died but was never eaten. I think these are western chorus frog tadpoles or gray tree frog tadpoles, that is what I heard "calling" before they hatched. They could also be a Bufo Woodhousi (toad) tadpoles since they are small and black and I have heard a few of those calling too but not many. Too bad, I have 10,000 plus of them in the pond right now and the fish won't eat them.
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#292879 - 05/21/12 10:58 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.

Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...

Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).

Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).

While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).

Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.

Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.

If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.

Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.

Photos and video would be much appreciated.
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#292885 - 05/21/12 11:05 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Omaha]
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Originally Posted By: Omaha
Originally Posted By: Stacy4Stubby
well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state).

So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"...
"target practice".... I heard that. terrible smile Shame on you! smile
Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something!
SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";)



That's pretty wild how different waters can be across the states. Every seine literally had thousands of tadpoles. My son's right there with you Stacy. When he was helping us he tried to save as many as he could, as impossible a task as that was.

So, understanding that most fish will not utilize BF tadpoles as forage, can this be considered a bad thing? I mean, they eventually sprout legs, at which time they likely become food, so they're eaten, just not immediately.


Depends on one's fishery whether the frogs will be utilized as forage. Leopard frogs don't last long in my SMB/HSB fishery, but BF are so large they are safe. Stands to reason if adult BF are large enough to escape predation that the cycle will continue indefinitely. It's not a bad thing, in fact, I think BF tadpoles help eat FA, just saying the cycle won't likely be broken, and that it's a shame my fish won't use them as forage due to their abundance. I don't think LMB or CC ponds have this issue...any frog regardless of size is likely an easy meal.
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#292887 - 05/21/12 11:07 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.

Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...

Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).

Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).

While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).

Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.

Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.

If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.

Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.

Photos and video would be much appreciated.


I have no idea where to locate Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pops, so this could be a problem. Also, I do have access to a solid catch-pole to make this safer for both of us. Just to give you that reassurance.
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#292888 - 05/21/12 11:11 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: jeffhasapond]
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Please you tube this experiment Omaha! grin laugh

There is No wiggling out of this TJ
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#292889 - 05/21/12 11:12 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: jeffhasapond]
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Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.

Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...

Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).

Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).

While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).

Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.

Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.

If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.

Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.

Photos and video would be much appreciated.


This sounds good, but you forgot the last step:

After releasing TJ run like Hell!
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#292891 - 05/21/12 11:20 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: Shorty
Please you tube this experiment Omaha! grin laugh


You know, could use an extra set of hands. We could play paper/rock/scissors to determine who gets to hold the camera and who gets to hold the TJ.

Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
After releasing TJ run like Hell!


And leave the truck running Shorty.
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#292893 - 05/21/12 11:28 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Omaha]
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Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
I have no idea where to locate Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pops, so this could be a problem.


Simple. Ask Catmandoo.

If it's disgusting and it's edible he'll know where to find it.

No offense Ken. grin
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#292894 - 05/21/12 11:30 AM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57

This sounds good, but you forgot the last step:

After releasing TJ run like Hell!


I certainly did not forget this step.

I just assumed that the ensuing melee would make the video more exciting and thereby grant the video instant "viral" status.

Sort of a two birds with one stone approach.
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#292929 - 05/21/12 04:03 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Omaha]
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You know, could use an extra set of hands. We could play paper/rock/scissors to determine who gets to hold the camera and who gets to hold the TJ.

And leave the truck running Shorty.


Omaha, you are on your own running this blind taste test experiment, I still owe TJ a favor! (You can thank me later TJ.) grin

I suppose I could run the camera and leave the truck running. grin
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#292930 - 05/21/12 04:12 PM Re: Bullfrog/Leopard Frog Tadpoles Defenseless? [Re: Shorty]
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I suppose I could run the camera and leave the truck running. grin


That's all I ask. grin
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