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#26078 02/24/07 11:01 PM
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Some will still float and some will sink - which they may eat first since it's easier to get to.


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Must be nice having found bg that size to stock, gives you a jump start. That excitement that you are experiencing now will happen again when they spawn.
Enjoy.


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thanks rad...i was pleasantly surprised to get them up to 5" as he usually sells 1-2" BG, but i hit the farm at the right time being able to get some from last years late summer spawn.

i asked my wife if i could use her nice granite mortar and pestle to mash up some fish food....and she said "why sure honey......NOT!"


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Dave,
I had the same problem and what I can't figure out is how she can deny me my fish food when she mashes crab and fish that has been dead for weeks, smells so bad I won't let her in the house with it. I just shut up and soaked the pellets.


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D.I.E.D., the nerve of your wife...I mean, it's all organic.


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Dave,

I know you are interested in gams, so excuse the O/T. I have now netted and stocked 360 of the little guys in my pond. They are the only critters I have stocked so far, and my water is still pretty muddy. I noticed a little splash in 1 corner of my pond, and grabbed the dip net out of my truck to investigate. A single swipe of the net yielded 4 gams, and all 4 were fully grown and very pregnant. None were that big when I originally caught them, and only a handful were showing possible signs of pregnancy. It's funny there were so many pregnant females in that 1 corner of the pond. It's almost as though they congregate in a "maternity ward". Within a week, I think my 360 will be doubled, and that's in fairly cold, murky water. Good luck with your gams. I hope they are as busy as mine.

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no excuse needed bobad, instead of making a bunch of new topics everytime i want to yak about something, following in Russ's footsteps,
i'll use this thread to track and report on the progress of all fish in the upcoming thread title change "An El Dorado BG Pond".

thats fantastic about the gams. my water has been too cold for alot of gam activity, but noticed they are hovering in primarily two places, 1) along the shore in submerged shallow grass and weeds as ML has said they would, and 2) all the way upstream in the incoming creek current (like mini trout or salmon) which will last only as long as the rains keep coming.

my numbers are way down from last year, but hopefully its just the cold, and the population will blossom come warmer weather.... i still plan on getting 1,000 more from the fish farm if that works out. i also noticed last summer that having some amount of (typically undesirable) FA or pond weed was critical to mosquito fish success in my pond. i dont have extensive shallow areas, the water is pretty clear, and i have really steep banks, so when the water begins to retreat from evaporation, good gam habitat shrinks fast, and the aquatic weeds are their only refuge.

it aint easy to get pics of those little guys, this is the best i've been able to do so far.




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a quote from shorty taken from Illinois Longhorn\'s thread

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IL - your pond sounds very similar to one here in Lincoln that I have posted a few pictures of natuarly occuring hybrids. GSF when present in large numbers can actually do a very good job of keeping LMB numbers in check by eating almost all of the LMB fry that are produced durng the spawn. Before the BG and aquatic vegetation got established in this community lake in Lincoln it was pretty common to catch a pre spawn LMB that was 18" and weighed well over 5 lbs. If the similarities hold true I would guess that there is very little aquatic vegetation in your pond for YOY LMB to hide from GSF predation. I am guessing your LMB did spawn but that there were very few survivors that made it to adulthood.
so yeah shorty, that is a heck of an observation for me. this is as opposed to what i speculated on page 1 of this thread.........if i am attempting to manage for large bream, have alot of GSF and BG present, and add a limited number of bass (either spots or LMB) it sounds more likely i'll end up with a few gigantic bass and some really happy GSF as the bass try to recruit....hmmm.....it follows i may have a real hard time maintaining a stout BG population without adequate year round cover if both the GSF and bass are feeding on the BG. this is gonna be a real interesting experiment either way.


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d.i.e.d - GSF are very agressive and can fit much larger prey items in their mouths than BG. When fishing for LMB at that community lake I like to throw the bigger soft plastic creature baits, one of the problems even with the bigger baits is you still have GSF trying to eat it up on almost every cast. Until the vegetation showed up at the community lake, LMB recruitment was very low and Wr's on the LMB were phenomenal.



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It is not common to just GSF as it happens in BG stunted ponds also. I will find the prior thread where it is discussed. Not so much all the LMB yoy being eaten but also that the LMB sense the situation and won't spawn.

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=003757
















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so one possibility for me is to stock a limited number of bass sooner rather than later before the BG and GSF become too numerous. i was thinking later this summer into fall, but perhaps i really need to think about later this spring.

of course i may not have any fish left at all (quasi kidding) after today. bruce, you noticed some large eyes on some of my stockers......well i guarantee you every fish and frog in that pond had large eyes today and hopefully hunkered down somewhere deep:

the first three are from this morning:

a somewhat high but normal spillway action:


sediment basin doing its job separating muddy from clear water:


nice steady incoming water:


these last shots taken after several yellow and red doppler weather cells passed through this afternoon.....yikes!











even with the flow this morning, there were several stooopid bullfrog tadpole fighting the spillway current and losing, but i think for the most part the fish tend to lean upstream or hunker down in the calmer water.....lets hope!


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Get out the inner-tube!!!


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Looks like spring !!! Green grass and high tides forever. ;\)

Here they are surrounding the pellets.


















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thats some happy gams.
nice shot ewest!!

was this recent?


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Wow, D.I.E.D. with that amount of runoff, my sediment basins wouldn't offer much assistance. Glad to hear your basins are working.

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Wow Dave, those are incredible shots of both the incoming streams and the outgoing spillway. Based upon weather reports you are going to get more of the same over the next couple of days. My place may get more snow - - reports are indicating possible snow down to 2,000 feet again.

A question for the experts:
Both Dave and I have GSF, he has added BG (and I will as soon as possible) and we both want to add RES. What kind of cross reproduction can we expect. Based upon other threads I know that BG and GSF will cross pollinate or hybridize or what ever you scientific types call it. How will RES play into this? Will this sunfish soup result in a Red Eared, Blue Gilled, Green Streaked mongrel fish?


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 Quote:
Originally posted by ewest:
[QB] Looks like spring !!! Green grass and high tides forever. ;\)

Here they are surrounding the pellets.
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Looks nice! Makes me want to run out to my pond and try some feed... any excuse to get out in the great weather! Bye y'all!

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Originally posted by jeffhasapond:
...What kind of cross reproduction can we expect. Based upon other threads I know that BG and GSF will cross pollinate or hybridize or what ever you scientific types call it. How will RES play into this? Will this sunfish soup result in a Red Eared, Blue Gilled, Green Streaked mongrel fish?
If you have relatively clear water, your lepomis species will do a nice job of keeping their strains pure. It's generally in turbid water or otherwise stressful conditions that you see hybridization. I know of two different water bodies that I regularly fish that have bluegill, RES and GS, and I only very rarely see a hybrid. I've spent one hundred hours on one of these pits and caught over one thousand sunfish and have only encountered three known hybrids and they were all male BG X RES.

I've also got both species in three of my ponds and I even purposely try to encourage some hybridization by putting all male of one species and all female of the other and it's still hard to get crosses between BG and RES.

Now if you put BG and GS in the same pond with all males of one and all females of the other, well then, you've got a different story and you'll see tons of hybrids.

I really don't think it's anything to worry about if your water is fairly clear.


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 Quote:
Originally posted by jeffhasapond:
............A question for the experts:
Both Dave and I have GSF, he has added BG (and I will as soon as possible) and we both want to add RES. What kind of cross reproduction can we expect?..................Will this sunfish soup result in a Red Eared, Blue Gilled, Green Streaked mongrel fish?
those with stronger GSF genes will look like this:


those with stronger RES genes will look like this:



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OK I am starting on an archive on hybrid lepomis. When I finish it here I will copy it to an archive.

Hybrid lepomis - Childers lepomis cross %

http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000143;p=1#000000

HBG pics and questions

http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000439;p=1

Long-Haired Hybridization

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=002154

RES/BG/GSF

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=001885


Bruce I sent you and Bill a study from U. of Ill IIRC where they put different sex RES and BG in small pools and produced many crosses and then moved them to ponds for several years. There are several threads here on this in addition to the above. I will find and add them.

Hybrid sunfish explained

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000373

BG/RES beds - crossing

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=001622;p=1

BG/RES/GSF/WARMOUTH

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000045;p=1

BG/ ID - male/female

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000318;p=1
















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D.I.E.D, Those stream pics are just a great example of DO "super saturation" in a concentrated area.

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bruce and ewest, a sincere thanks for keeping this thread thoughtful, informative, and a good potential resource for others....despite my lame jokes \:\)

ted, so you noticed the "whitewater" coming over the upstream water fall and clouds of floating bubbles in that last pic.....this is a nearly pristine watershed so no phosphates or other detergents, septic systems, or other human impacts to water quality.....thats all O2. i just wish that stream ran all year round, unfortunately it does not.


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sunil....thanks for instigating. went out just before sundown, the murkiness is clearing from our recent storms, threw out a few pellets and lo and behold they started moving! i found a nice flat rock and mashed a few handfuls, and had a nice little feeding. there were a few crickets under the rock i picked up, put those in to....kinda funny, too big for the little BG mouths and they chased those poor crickets all the way back to shore........so my babies survived the storm and like pellets too....yahoo!


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Dude, they'll get big fast on feed once the growing season roles around, even with just some daily hand-feedings.


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i tried feeding a few to some green sunnies down in the creek below pond, they would have nothing to do with it......the pellets didnt wiggle after hitting water i guess......so my question, up in pond, if the sunnies see the BG taking pellets, will i eventually have pellet trained sunnies?


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