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Those sure are some nice looking fish. I may just have to stock a few just to see if any can adapt to my climate.
Now if we have a winter like last year, they will all die, but that was not the norm.
Thanks for the pics.
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Can you say obese !! I need to get some pics of your grandbabies.
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George, did you go out fishing after I left you yesterday? Nice fish!!
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Scott, you left our house Wednesdy after pigging out on Tex-Mex, remember? You had me salivating over the 12 inch CNBG you caught on your friends lake so we had to make it to the ponds yesterday. What a day!
We caught big CNBG on almost every cast but no 12 inchers. Don't think we will - ours get wider and broader when they get 10-11 inches. 9+ inch CNBG were hitting a pound and 10 inchers were 1 1/4+ !!!
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George, that's right, I still hadn't been to bed when I posted it. It was today when I posted, but it was thurs in my mind.
Great looking fish! The rain followed me home, it's drizzling out now and in the 40's. Yuck.
Thanks for showing me how to tie the flies. I have "dig out your fly tying supplies" on todays to-do list.
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George those pics are just plain awesome. Thanks for sharing, and going to the trouble to document, for the sake of all.
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Todd here is one of George and your grandbabies at 1 year. Beautiful fish.
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Can you say obese !! I need to get some pics of your grandbabies. George those pics are just plain awesome. Thanks for sharing, and going to the trouble to document, for the sake of all. Hey guys, help me out on this – full moon – CNBG spawning time, right? Why were we catching big males and only one big female? Were the bigger males chasing off the ones we caught and the big females are on the beds? We tossed all the small females.
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George, I don't know about CNBG, but here with BG the Males stay on the nest and the females are usually caught in deeper water just off the nest colony before they drop their eggs.
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Dang Ewest, Nice Fish! Can I use the pic?
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Thanks Ewest I'll add that pic to the website, and will be posting some pics of pure CNBG broodstock that will be stocking out this year for reproduction. Very excited about these.
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George, reviving a thread here, but what's the current status of these fish? Todd has these listed under genetics on his site, but there's not a different designation for them on the price sheet.
Am I to assume that all his CNBG are now OTS strain, or is a question for Todd?
I guess what I'm asking your opinion on is, are these still a preferred fish and are you still happy with the results?
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George, reviving a thread here, but what's the current status of these fish? Todd has these listed under genetics on his site, but there's not a different designation for them on the price sheet.
Am I to assume that all his CNBG are now OTS strain, or is a question for Todd?
I guess what I'm asking your opinion on is, are these still a preferred fish and are you still happy with the results? Al, if you have Overton's CNBG, you have some of OTS best genetics in this part of the country. IIRC the name came from Eric's and my fun naming "Overton Texas Strain" or Erics's "Over the Top Strin" CNBG. They are the result of pure Florida CNBG that I donated to Overton that were imported directly from Florida, combined with his pure Florida broodstock CNBG that were caught in Florida and brught to Todd's fish farm. Eric has posted photos of some of his CNBG - they are giants!! All of my CNBG are out of this broodstock - I stocked 100, 6+ inch mostly male first generations spawn - yeah -I'm happy!!!
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Fair enough. I've fished for LMB my whole life, and for some reason CNBG suddenly intrigue me. Maybe it's the 2 small money pits (ponds) I've been working on, but the appeal is much higher for them right now than my "trophy" pets. It seems like all I do is cull small LMB because I need to, but get excited when a huge CNBG hits my lure.
As always, thanks.
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Fair enough. I've fished for LMB my whole life, and for some reason CNBG suddenly intrigue me. Maybe it's the 2 small money pits (ponds) I've been working on, but the appeal is much higher for them right now than my "trophy" pets. It seems like all I do is cull small LMB because I need to, but get excited when a huge CNBG hits my lure.
As always, thanks. Al, I know you for an old hand Lake Fork bass fisherman but I see you on the road to recovery… Same as you – fished for LMB my whole life – remember to this very day the first bass I caught some 80 (yes 80) years ago …..I was about 7 years old fishing for “purch” with worms and a cane pole – ran out of bait and picked a berry blossom and put in on my hook – caught my first bass – guess I was the one hooked. After fishing Lake Fork on all three rises, Fairfield, Monticello. Welch and Broken Bow, I got bored with bass fishing and discovered catching Texoma stripers a lot more fun – wore out three boats and 5 motors in 20 years. Then I discovered HSB in ponds were the most fun of all – don’t match the excitement of a big bass tail walking bass but will outfight them any day of the week. Fly fishing is fun – just the challenge I guess – every fish I have ever caught from our main pond has been on a fly rod – my wife is a better fly fisher than I .. Only spin tackle occasional use in small pond to transfer fish to main pond. My first love has become CNBG – “but get excited when a huge CNBG hits my (fly) lure”. George
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I'm right there with you George, and all that sounds very familiar. LMB have almost become a bigger, badder, testosterone thing, and it's wearing me out.
For those of you that frequent Texas Fishing Forum, a Camelot Bell thread just got pulled after getting really ugly. The cost, and even merit of trophy bass produced in an controlled environment really brought out anger in a surprising amount of posters. A simple thread on the cost for a trip there became a chest bumping contest of who's skills were the greatest. Nobody here seems to rant and rave when they find out Bruce Condello has 2 lb CNBG. All anybody wants to know is how they can do it too.
So to me, growing them, i.e., trophy CNBG, is actually better than having them. If I do, it means I've got a healthy pond, and I'm doing things right.
Maybe even someday there will be a Bluegill Pro Shop, but I doubt it, and that's fine with me.
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Bluegill Pro Shop.... I like the sound of that....
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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They are absolutely gorgeous CNBG with very good growth potential. I might clean up an old small pond around here and stock OTS CNBG and SMB and HSB with FH and TShad and see what happens.
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My first love has become CNBG – Don't tell Mrs. G that!
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Yes, AL, we still are selecting and growing OTS strain coppernose bluegill on the farm. We select our best males every year and cross them with young pregnant females. We aren't breeding selectively for monster fish (although that program is likely in our future) like Condello, however, we are breeding for pure genetics. Our goal is to produce a bloodline that breeds true year after year, and matures at small size, to be exceptionally prolific as coppernose bluegill should be. Fortunately they also grow large, as coppernose bluegill should under the right conditions.
We ran into a new situation this year, however, with supplies of our OTS strain. It was a challenge for us to have in stock the hundreds of thousands of bluegill that were needed to restock across the state after recovering from the historic drought conditions. Plus we ourselves were negatively affected by the drought, which put a damper on our 2011 production. This year we contracted with a producer who was able to provide us with some of the best coppernose bluegill I've ever seen (aside from my own OTS strain) in order to fill gaps in my supply. I was hesitant to do this, so I examined these fish closely before offering them to my customers. They display the copper banding and definite yellow tipping on the caudal fin. Without a trained eye you will likely not be able to tell these from our OTS genetics.
So if you purchased Coppernose Bluegill from us this year then YES they were good coppernose genetics, but may or may not have been our OTS strain. I want to make it very clear that I make it a point to be honest with my clientele. So if you ask then I will tell you what they are, and if you request OTS only, then that will be what you get.
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Todd, thanks for the honest update. Momma and I always make a Spring trip to you for our Tilapia and whatever else she thinks is pretty, which is usually another thousand CNBG.
I've posted before about my CNBG brood pond, and they are all your fish. Although it has been a work in progress, your fish have been as they always have been, great.
I may be wrong, but I'm not as concerned with genetics as I am quality, and there's no question about the quality of your fish.
See you again next Spring.
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Todd when are you going to get some more of George's babies ?
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I improved on them and going to reintroduce some back into George's pond this Fall!. I can't wait to get some pics of them. Gonna feed em good this summer.
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"Figured you would appreciate this mount" Todd, thanks for your permission to post fantastic photo - had to share!!! Photobucket turned photo sideways.... but you know...... Neat mount!!!
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