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#238461 - 10/19/10 09:57 AM Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond
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I have (had) a 3.5 acre pond that is now about 2 1/2 acres due to the severe drought... I renovated the pond last year, and all of my fish are doing great. Tiger bass have exceeded 1 pound and are moving toward 2 pound range after only being stocked since May of this year.

I have lost 6 feet vertically over the summer with only 1/2" of rain in the last 60 days. I have been in a near frenzy worrying about this and have decided to contract a well driller to come out and start feeding some water into my pond... Now I am wondering if this is a good idea. I dont think my pond will dry up but most of my manufactured habitat is out of the water, my (known) bream bed areas are all dry... i still have 3 to 10 foot depth in a lot of pond... Is adding well water a waste of time?? Any thoughts?
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#238462 - 10/19/10 10:04 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Pinetar]
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An acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons. That means to raise your 3.5 acre pond one foot, you'll need to add roughly a million gallons of water.
So I guess the first question to ask is if the groundwater in your area can support that and what it will cost to drill a well and buy the equipment necessary to add that amount of water.

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#238463 - 10/19/10 10:32 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Bullhead]
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ok, so I can understand your math. Not being sarcastic at all. Earlier this year... pond was about at this level. We had a couple of days of good rain... not downpours mind you... my pond came up 4 feet in two to three days, so by that math... God added 4 million gallons of water to my pond? Wow those are mind boggling numbers!!
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#238464 - 10/19/10 10:33 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Pinetar]
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Just fyi.. im not hoping to fill the pond back up... Im just hoping to stop the loss... I know God will fill it back up... just hoping to help keep it from going down anymore....Ideas??
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#238466 - 10/19/10 12:09 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Pinetar]
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I'd put some sort of ruler or yardstick in the pond to get an accurate measurement of water loss per day or week. That way you can calculate how much water you will need to add per day or week to keep the water level stable.

FYI, I'm adding roughly 30-35 thousand gallons per day and I'm only raising the water level about 1/4" per day.
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#238476 - 10/19/10 01:10 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: esshup]
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esshup,

How are you adding the water? i am considering putting a sewage pump in my smaller pond that stays full and pumping water back uphill into my 2.15 acre pond to help stabilize the water level and even fill it when need be.

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#238482 - 10/19/10 02:07 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Mark Brown]
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I dug a well for the same reason and I will tell you it isnt cheap. Not just to dig the well but to run the pump. My pump costs about three hundred dollars a month to run. I have only had six weeks this year that I ran it because we have had good rains this year. My pump puts out about 72000 gallons a day.

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#238485 - 10/19/10 02:19 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: james holt]
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That's about 50 gallons a minute. Do you know how big the casing is? What do you pump with?

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#238487 - 10/19/10 03:08 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Bullhead]
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I believe it is either a five or seven horse motor running on 220v. I believe the pipe coming out of the casing is two inch. Im not sure what the casing size is but it is very good cold water and never runs dry. I wish that I could have afforded more water but each size bigger got to be crazy expensive. I had looked at a twnety horse moter with a six inch pipe but it was just too expensive. The twenty horse motor would have been able to fill the pond. The setup I have now just keeps it at the level I have when I turn it on.

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#238500 - 10/19/10 05:03 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: james holt]
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Be careful putting that cold water in the pond (at too high a rate) when the summer heat is high. Also need to watch the DO.




Edited by ewest (10/19/10 05:05 PM)
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#238504 - 10/19/10 05:14 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: ewest]
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Mark: That's the well that also feeds the house. I have a ball valve outside the well house so I can direct the water whichever way I need without going thru a lot of hassle.
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#238550 - 10/19/10 10:20 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: esshup]
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I really don't want to tap the aquifer with a well to keep my bigger pond full. At 2.15 acres that is a lot of water to pump. I think a submersible pump in a smaller spring fed pond that stays full makes a little more sense for me.

I wonder if any one has experience doing that on this board?
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#243562 - 12/27/10 07:17 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Mark Brown]
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I don't mind the up front cost of a well, but $300 a month for elec. Is that correct, guys?

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#243566 - 12/27/10 07:50 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Sniper]
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What's your electric rate per KWH?
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#243575 - 12/27/10 09:35 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: esshup]
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esshup is right if your cost for energy is high then so will your electric bill also the bigger the motor the bigger the electric bill. My dad lives in the texas panhandle and his KWH rate is lower than mine is at my farm but my farm rate is still much lower than my rate down in the Dallas metroplex. So it just depends. I was told the electric rate is generally lower for coal fired plants.

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#243682 - 12/29/10 03:03 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Sniper]
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About eleven cents per kwh. It's a co-op if that's anyway germane.

In any case, $300 per month sounds incorrect.


Edited by Sniper (12/29/10 07:12 PM)

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#243702 - 12/29/10 10:44 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Sniper]
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O.K. 1,000 watts in a kwh. One hp motor draws 746 watts per hour. Can you take it from here? grin




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#243706 - 12/29/10 11:15 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: esshup]
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I use a well to fill my 2 acre pond here in Nebraska and it only costs about $350.00 per year. I only have to run mine about three days straight every two months or so in the summer. In the winter, I don't fire it up at all. I would say that 300 per month is way high unless it runs 24/7.

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#243711 - 12/30/10 04:03 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Nebucks]
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NeBucks, if my math is correct from your description, you pay $350 for only 18 days usage. I would expect to pay an average $70/month for each horsepower of the pump if run 24/7. (It costs less to run a pump constantly than multiple stops and starts as each start-up draws a LOT of power)
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#243717 - 12/30/10 09:14 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: Rainman]
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I pay around 8 cents kwh. I have been runniing a 1/2 hp submersible well pump laid in a well screen in the bottom of a sand bottom creek and pumping it up about 70 ft. Gets me rigt at 10gpm. I have only seen about 35 to 40 dollar a month increase in usage. I have been doing this for a bout 2 months and was very surprised to see what just 10gpm will do to fill a pond. Its about a 1 acre pond. When I started it was a little under 1/2 acre surface area now im almost full 1 acre surface area. I figure with no rain it still should be filled by early March. Not bad for 40 bucks a month. thinking about putting a well in this summer so I dont have to mess with the creek when it floods after hard rains.

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#243724 - 12/30/10 11:28 AM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: jason7858]
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With the increase in the cost of electricity I am assuming my costs will be higher than 300 dollars a month this summer but I only run it about two to three months out of the year. If you look at it that way my cost per year is less than a thousand dollars.

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#243738 - 12/30/10 01:17 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: jason7858]
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Originally Posted By: jason7858
I pay around 8 cents kwh. I have been runniing a 1/2 hp submersible well pump laid in a well screen in the bottom of a sand bottom creek and pumping it up about 70 ft. Gets me rigt at 10gpm. I have only seen about 35 to 40 dollar a month increase in usage. I have been doing this for a bout 2 months and was very surprised to see what just 10gpm will do to fill a pond. Its about a 1 acre pond. When I started it was a little under 1/2 acre surface area now im almost full 1 acre surface area. I figure with no rain it still should be filled by early March. Not bad for 40 bucks a month. thinking about putting a well in this summer so I dont have to mess with the creek when it floods after hard rains.


1 HP is 750 watt or 0,75 kilowatt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower
You are runing pump (1/2HP) 375watt(0,375 KW) at 8cent KWH 24/365.

0,375 KW X 24hour makes 9KW a day
0,08 $ (8 cent) X 9KW (kilowatt) is 0,72 $ a day

262,8 $ a year
21,9 $ a month ?



Edited by andedammen (12/30/10 01:30 PM)
Edit Reason: to much gin/tonic
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#243740 - 12/30/10 02:26 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: andedammen]
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I have a well to provide supplemental irrigation on my four ponds here in NE as I was concerned about sleepless nights worrying about dropping levels just like you. Considering the investment I made on the land, pond construction, fish, habitat, etc. adding a well was more than worth it considering it's insurance against drought and allows me peace of mind.

I have a 5 hp pump with a 6" casing at 270' and run 50 GPM. Running is 24/7 costs approx $300/mo. The only time I have ever run it for that length of time was when I filled the ponds. Now I only need to run for a few days every late Summer then again right before Winter to top them off for the long Winter.

Definitely recommend a well if you want to protect your fishery and precipitation isn't reliable.
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#243741 - 12/30/10 02:31 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: teehjaeh57]
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andedammen are you saying that it comes out to 21 dollars a month? thats better than what i thought but after my heat strips on the heat pump had to kick in last month i noticed my elect co. charges 7 or 8 cents per kwh up to a certain amount then it goes up to like 10...so thats where i could be seeing the extra 35 or 40 and not 21 a month.

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#243762 - 12/30/10 07:33 PM Re: Drilling Well to supplement Water in Pond [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
O.K. 1,000 watts in a kwh. One hp motor draws 746 watts per hour. Can you take it from here? grin

Is that supposed to be funny?


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