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#236223 - 09/29/10 11:08 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: bbjr]
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Brettski, would a gutter leaf guard that is solid, then rolled down solve the fear of snow/ice tearing them off. You could then raise the gutters back to a normal placement.


Like the gutter helmet... http://www.gutterhelmet.com/how_it_works.cfm

Bill Cody has them on his house and I can tell you they even shed pine needles VERY well along with a thin tree slough that has to be swept away on the sidewalk often.


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#236228 - 09/29/10 11:56 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: bbjr]
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Brettski:

No matter what gutter system you go with, I think you'll really want the snow jacks. My neighbor has a metal roof on his work building, and he put them on after the first winter.
1) Sliding snow/ice really hits the ground hard, and he had a car damaged.
2) The sliding snow and ice is really, really noisy. You might bet woke up at night by it.
3) Safety feature - if a car can be damaged, just think what it could do to a person.

His roof isn't near as steep as yours!
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#236370 - 10/01/10 10:30 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: esshup]
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Well being from Northern Wisconsin myself I have seen what ice and snow can do. If you have even a 2 x 2 foot piece of 1/4 inch thick ice come off that roof and hit someone 20 feet below you better hope it dont hit them in the head or neck cause you may be calling 911!! Will it happen this year? Maybe not maybe not even next year, but do you want to take that chance? I would not!


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#236371 - 10/01/10 10:50 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: RC51]
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I'll put a helmet rack next to the door
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#236380 - 10/01/10 11:40 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Better yet install heated line underneath the whole roof. Then you don't have to worry about ice.. Run it off geothermal from your pond, also out it in your sidewalk and driveway, $20,000-30,000 upgrade what the he'll why not it's just money.. Lol
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#236385 - 10/01/10 11:59 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Originally Posted By: Brettski
I'll put a helmet rack next to the door


Yeah Hard Hats are a must before entering areas with cones!! smile


Edited by RC51 (10/01/10 11:59 AM)
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#236786 - 10/04/10 10:29 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: RC51]
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2 x 2 treated lumber, pre-painted
6" landscape timber lag screws
1/2" PVC tubing
PVC gutter components
alot of measuring and cutting












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#236788 - 10/04/10 10:39 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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That looks great !!!!
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#236794 - 10/05/10 04:39 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: ewest]
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Pretty impressive
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#236805 - 10/05/10 08:10 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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That looks very, very good! Any plans to install the ice and snow tabs?
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#236810 - 10/05/10 08:45 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: esshup]
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Dang Brettski, that came out very nice. I can tell you put a lot of thought and planning in to this (in other words your mind was in the gutter laugh ).

All kidding aside, great job!
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#236826 - 10/05/10 10:52 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: jeffhasapond]
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Yeah see I told ya. If Bski is doing it, it wouldn't matter what color he used it would have looked great! The guy is the Mac Daddy of cabin building!! smile
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#236828 - 10/05/10 10:57 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: esshup]
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Simply outstanding Brett! As always!
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#236829 - 10/05/10 11:14 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Rainman]
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Fine craftsmanship and clever engineering! Great job, Brettski.

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#237372 - 10/10/10 10:40 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Dudley Landry]
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A relatively low labor weekend this trip. We wrapped the other side with the same gutter setup.
Although the physical labor output was closer to medium for the weekend, the stress and focus was elevated. I had to go back up on the roof.
We are pretty much at the point where we can call the outside good-ta-go and shift the focus to the interior. One of the last outside projects (that will facilitate progress at the interior) is the boot and pipe to terminate all the plumbing vents. This meant 2 things I really hate: cut a big ol' hole in my metal roof, and then go up there to work on it. It came together pretty well. No comments on my messy caulking job.


We cut off a 3 foot length of 4" PVC pipe as a stack. Dski put 3 coats of white acrylic/latex paint on the pipe (ID and OD) to defend against UV. A little water and dish soap and it slipped up thru the boot. We secured it against blocking in the attic area. Since it's not attached to any further plumbing, we now have a 4" PVC tube to allow rain and snow in (at least until I get the plumbing hooked up inside). I dread the thought of having to go back up there, so we took a plastic bucket, put an eyebolt thru the bottom with the eye inside the bucket. A length of bungee cord (hooked to the eyebolt) runs down thru the stack and is hooked onto a rafter inside, pulling down the bucket. When the time comes, I push a broom handle up the pipe from inside to unhook the bungee from the eyebolt and then push the bucket off the top and let it tumble off the roof. At least that's the plan.

Don't be fooled by the angle. The pipe is well below the peak of the roof.
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Jeesh, I remember this time last year when the leaves were starting to turn. We were just finishing the wall framing upstairs. This year, bring on the rain. We're ready (I think)

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#237397 - 10/11/10 08:11 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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What a difference a year and lots of hard labor make. You should be proud of what you've accomplished this year.
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#237413 - 10/11/10 10:22 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: esshup]
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No comments needed --- just a big smile !!! smile
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#237420 - 10/11/10 10:35 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: ewest]
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Why can't the pipe be above the peak of the roof. I have a little problem with my stack. It's on the back side of my house near my patio and if the winds just right it carries the sewer gas over the patio I was thinking of extending the stack my dad had a similar problem he said he extended his stack over the peak and it took care of the smell..
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#237427 - 10/11/10 11:03 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Bluegillerkiller]
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For me, it's only because you can see it from the other side. I don't really know if there is a plumbing issue or code issue.
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#237428 - 10/11/10 11:04 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: ewest]
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No comments needed --- just a big smile !!! smile

did you notice the dope rope?
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#237447 - 10/11/10 02:19 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Yes and the lake in the background.
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#237453 - 10/11/10 02:37 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Jeesh, I remember this time last year when the leaves were starting to turn. We were just finishing the wall framing upstairs. [img]

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#237510 - 10/11/10 09:32 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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did you notice the dope rope?


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#237512 - 10/11/10 09:37 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Theo Gallus]
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The old rope-a-dope.
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#238235 - 10/17/10 07:48 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: ewest]
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I don't want you's guys to think I was goofin' off this weekend...
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We really didn't do anything with the gar/apt project. Instead, we shifted back to finish another project that I was NOT looking forward to.
Last December, we finally brought in the utility power to the site. We also greased the trencher guy to cut a trench from the gar/apt to our 10x12 love nest. I had to pull up short on the trench so I did not run into some existing underground conduits that we had laid in to run power out to the dock a couple of years ago.



We ran that last 20 feet or so above ground and boogered it in to supply the juice we needed to "get by". Well, gettin' by had to come to an end. I have kinda been waiting for the cooler weather to finish this one off, and the time is now. Also, we are to the point where I will be laying in the rough electrical in the gar/apt and I will need an inspection; I don't want to lose credibility points by leaving this "over the ground hillbilly electric supply" exposed for critique.
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This job was pretty high on the suck scale. The ground is hard-as-a-rock clay and it is all manual. We're talking pickaxe, shovels, trenching shovel, and...yes...a gardener's trowel.
Even with all the exercised care, I still managed to crack the existing conduit run out to the dock. I used a piece of 1-1/2" white PVC with a section cut out of the length so it would snap right over the 1-1/4" electric conduit. Booger it with glue, snap on the custom repair sleeve, it worked well.
Anyway....







We did have to pull the entire 125-some-odd feet of the 6 ga wire bundle out of the conduit, cut and splice and re-fit the last pipe section, then re-snake the wire bundle. It was definitely a motrin 800 day, but it came together as planned...and we are done with it.

edit: we spent Sunday grooming the walking trails, a "chainsaw and garden tractor" project that took most of the day


Edited by Brettski (10/17/10 07:58 PM)
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