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#235769 09/25/10 11:39 AM
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This is a repost in case you didn't seeit posted 'test test 123'.
I caught this 4 inch minnow in a runoff creek from a water treatment facilty. They wer in the running water, huddled up in the slower edges of the creek. There were others larger, maybe up to 6 inches.
These are also in a duck pond in Midland, the adults usually run a foot or two below the surface and come up to eat bread or anything thrown out to them.
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Can you take a few more photos of this fish... The coloration on it is very washed on, was it sitting in a bucket a while before you took the photo? But, I would say in all likelihood, it is a plains killifish.

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I don't know if these are much better. Note the square tail and very faint vertical stripes.





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Did you notice the black dots on the fish?


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OK, those photos give me a definite ID. Those are gulf killifish, a species of saltwater killifish which are also adapted at living in freshwater environments. They are highly tolerant of extremes in salinity from pure freshwater to nearly twice the salinity of normal ocean water. Very closely related to the mummichog which is basically its east coast cousin. They sometimes go by the nick name of mud, bull or cigar minnows...

The black spots appear to be mussel glochidium.

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Thanks, I have been told they were mud minnows but that did'nt really mean anything to me.
Mussel Glochidium is a bad thing? Not familiar with it.

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Not really, they aren't good but really don't affect the fish that much.

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I suppose these minnows and mussels would not be good to introduce a small CNGB, LMB, FHM pond?

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Travis,

You da man when it comes to identifying fish! One of these days I'm going to get out my key books and brush up!


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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The "minnows" would be fine... The mussels, hard to tell. May be a species that wouldn't survive in a pond. Hard to tell what other diseases and parasites you could bring in with the fish. So be careful...

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A salt dip would take care of external parasites.


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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I think I will take a pass on the minnows. Thanks guys for all your help.

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Black spot disease. http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_diseases/neascus.html Actually a bird parasite with snails, and fish as intermediate hosts. Does little harm to fish, and is self limiting in the absence of piscivorous birds, and snails. Mussel glochidium attach themselves to the gills of fish, and are not embedded in the skin.
Gulf Killifish is a good ID. Here is a mud minnow. http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/dnap/rivfish/mudmin/tabid/1709/Default.aspx Similar, but not your fish. Mudminnows are actually more closely related to pike, than they are cyprinids.

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I know someone who has freshwater mussels in their pond and they aren't crazy that they're there. They don't know how they got there but I see now how they could have arrived on some fish. The older mussels can be sharp on swimmers feet and they often throw them back into the deeper water. Their pond is the first I've ever heard of that had mussels. Someone told them the mussels are a sign that their pond is healthy, I've never heard that before either. Are mussels too big for redear?


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mussels as adults are too big for redear, though they might control juveniles. There are very few mussels that fair well in ponds. The eastern floater is pretty common in ponds. Largely due to the fact that it's host species include bluegill, and pumpkinseed. The range map in this PDF is incomplete, as I have found them in Ohio, and have to assume they are probably in adjacent states. They can easily come into a pond hitchhiking on the gills of stocked fish. I hope to have some in my pond at some point. http://www.naturalheritage.state.pa.us/factsheets/Pyganodon%20cataracta.pdf

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Is it ok or good to have these mussels in your ponds or should they be killed off?

One of our ponds are full of a mussel that looks like this, not sure it is the same one since I am in Oklahoma, but I guess it is possible for it to have made it this far.


The Asian Carp and Snakehead are examples of how far something can expand.

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I would like them in my pond, but that is a matter of preference. I just see them as another part of a balanced ecosystem. And here in the US, freshwater mussels need all of the help they can get. I believe they are our most endangered class of fauna.

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Originally Posted By: brier
I would like them in my pond, but that is a matter of preference. I just see them as another part of a balanced ecosystem. And here in the US, freshwater mussels need all of the help they can get. I believe they are our most endangered class of fauna.


Endangered? In the Great Lakes region zebra mussels are highly invasive and a big problem.

"Zebra and quagga mussels have been making a particular mess of the Great Lakes ecosystem and economy since they were discovered in the late 1980s. The filter-feeding machines have cost this region billions of dollars by plugging industrial water intake pipes, starving fish populations and spawning noxious algae outbreaks that have trashed some of the Midwest's most prized shoreline."http://www.jsonline.com/news/usandworld/40037927.html

ETA: I just read that zebra mussels have eliminated all of the native mussels in Lake St. Clair so the native mussels probably are endangered. I don't know what would keep them in check in a pond and they might get overwhelming. If the zebra mussels can be removed from the lake they hope to re-establish the native mussels that can still be found in inland ponds.

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Loretta, I think Brier was referring to native mussels as being endangered. I don't think anyone would want Zebra Mussels. smile



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Thanks Rex. Yes, I was referring to our native freshwater mussels, I should have been more clear. I have zero tolerance for invasives, and can't even find it in myself to release common carp when I catch them. It is catch, and release........ into the woods. Or on occasion when I catch them in clean cool water, I make a meal out of them. Not half bad, but not near as tasty as grass carp. That is a fine tasting fish, though they are very difficult to clean. I am in no way defending zebra mussels

Native mussels are fascinating creatures. Check out this video of mussel reproduction. http://other95.blogspot.com/2008/08/bivalve-vs-fish.html

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Can these spots be transferred from fish to fish or do they have to run the course of being eaten by the bird etc.?

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No, no fish to fish transfer. Must be hosted by snails, and birds to spread in your pond.


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