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#22467 - 05/04/06 10:24 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Bruce, we expect pictures tomorrow. \:D
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#22468 - 05/05/06 07:17 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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SkinMan, a gill net is OK for catching eating fish but the fish it catches dies.
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#22469 - 05/05/06 11:31 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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The seine is awesome! Very, very durable looking. My Dad and I ran it today in my big pond and pulled up 9 bluegill, four of which were over 1 pound. One of them was probably more like 1-6. I was very excited. Also got a turtle, some tadpoles and some giant dragonfly larvae. The bluegill looked like they were going to blow up. Wr's around 130-140.
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#22470 - 05/06/06 12:26 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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We need pics. That is awesome.
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#22471 - 05/07/06 01:48 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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I recall the first time I pulled a seine in the ponds and it filled up with BG/RES and small LMB. What a trip. \:D
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#22472 - 05/08/06 11:48 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Was looking at the seines. has any body used them to get the FA out of the ponds. Is this a viable option? Is there a seine strong enough?

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#22473 - 05/09/06 04:08 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Getting some pictures of this seine from Bruce is like pulling teeth. :p \:D
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#22474 - 05/10/06 12:39 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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PF2, you need to ask Bruce for a picture of a Diet Mountain Dew can, or an empty bottle of Jack Daniels.

Then, mysteriously enough, a new seine will appear in the picture.
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#22475 - 05/10/06 12:45 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Alright! I confess!

I keep forgettin' my dang camera!!
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#22476 - 05/10/06 01:26 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Don't forget about Brian's question. I think the seine would be strong enough but I have'nt ever pulled one through a lot of algae. Anyone?

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#22477 - 05/10/06 01:55 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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It will catch a lot of FA and be hard to pull. It is a mess to get out of the net and then dump somewhere else. It may catch a few fish in with the FA which you have to try and save.
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#22478 - 05/10/06 02:04 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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It will catch a lot of FA and be hard to pull. It is a mess to get out of the net and then dump somewhere else. It may catch a few fish in with the FA which you have to try and save.
Fully agree with ewest--This 100 foot net is hard enough to pull with nothing in it. Add several hundred pounds of FA and you've got a nightmare.
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#22479 - 05/10/06 04:34 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Originally posted by Bruce Condello:
Alright! I confess!

I keep forgettin' my dang camera!!
Thats why we never believe you when you tell us about these behemoth bluegill. j/k
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#22480 - 05/16/06 12:27 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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More later about my failed attempt to run this seine tonight. It went OK the first time, but I did something wrong the second time. I guess there's a learning curve here. NEDOC and his wife were a huge help but I didn't keep the lead line down. \:\( \:\(

Here's a photo, though.


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#22481 - 06/25/06 09:57 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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I heard a rumor that NEDOC seined about a million pounds of fish from his big pond. Report, please. \:\)
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#22482 - 06/26/06 02:28 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Per Bruce's request....

To save myself retyping this I will Copy and Paste my email to Bruce and Shorty. Obviously, some of this is not pertinent to the seine discussion. NEfish is Blake,and hopefully he will add or subtract from this short story (and hopefully add some pictures)...........

What a day of seining!!! I am sure I will forget some details but here is my short story of how our virgin seining voyage went..........

My friend Blake and I decided Saturday night to meet up and do a little seining around noon on Sunday. We also ran into my old roommate who agreed to meet us. Thankfully, Blake brought his fiance, sister, brother-in-law and all of their kids (about 6 kids). We ended up with about 5 guys and 3 women and the kids to do the seining. Luckily we had that many people, because we ended up using ALL of them. We decided to start with the east arm of my pond, which is roughly 150' wide where we started and seined to the north inlet, which was about 200 yds. long. When we pulled up to the cove we spotted about five 'pods' of carp with 10-20 fish in each pod. We knew we may catch a few. Blake and I spanned the pond fine but once we started pulling the mud began to gather in the net and we had to get 2 guys on each side to pull. We got the net within feet of the pods of carp and corraled them. The water was no more than 3 ft. deep throughout the seining process. By the time we got 100 yds into the seining we began to wear down and had 3 guys on each side. We began to feel fish bump into our legs, escaping out the sides. This is when the kids got put to use. We put them on each side of the net to 'herd' the fish. It worked! And they had a blast. As we got to the north end it was all we could do to pull it with 6 guys. The mud was piling up. In fact there were so many fish and so much mud that the water on the side of the net we were pulling towards was 4-6" higher that the lake itself!! It was like a miniature tsunami moving through the water. Fish boiling everywhere! Once we pulled the net up on to shore we just looked in amazement. We had close to 1000 fish averaging at about .5 lbs of which 200-400 were carp. I may still take a count on those #'s to get a good idea of how many carp there were. Totals were 200-400 carp (2lb avg), 200-400 catfish (.5-1 lb avg), 100+ 4-6" crappie, 2 bullhead, 2 largemouth, 1 green sungish and 4 bluegill. The idiot that I am, I didn't plan for this. We literally had a 'pile' of fish laying there on the shore. With deep water 150 feet away. I hollered at my wife to go get buckets but she didn't want to. We all started grabbing as many crappie as we could and hauling them back to the lake. We lost 30% of them. I didn't expect to see that many crappie and I didn't expect to be in such shallow water when we got them to shore. I left all of the carp and catfish laying. My poor uncle's house is only 100 yds away from the pile of fish. haha I may have to go get the loader and haul dead fish tonight.


The rest of the day we seined the body of the lake with 3 guys and a boat pulling on one side and a 4 wheeler on the other side. We caught several hundred fish (including 6lb. and 8lb. cats) but had no where close to what we caught that first haul.


When it was all said and done blake and I walked back to the east arm of the pond and looked at the water. Both of us remarked that we thought the water clarity had tripled since that morning in that arm of the pond. Maybe we had drank too many beers \:\)


Unbelievable experience!! I am sure I will think of more details, but thought this may interest you.


BTW, my horizontal aeration and BoJo buglight should be installed by the end of the week. You are more than welcome to come down anytime.

PS There wasn't a single tear in the net after we were done. I was amazed. Every other time I have seined, we have had slight tears in the net. That thing is tough. The only thing I am a little worried about is mice in my shop. I am trying to remedy that.
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#22483 - 06/27/06 01:38 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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NEDoc pretty much hit the nail on the head. What a day and a sight to see. Again just to emphasize the water clarity issue, I really think that cove increased by a couple of inches in that short of time. I couldn't believe it!

If Doc can keep the carp down and get the vegetation growing there is a chance for a really good fishery.

WOW that was a lot of carp, Im going to say that the carp # might be even higher than 400, not sure but a couple more times of siening and we could make a serios difference in the water quality.
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#22484 - 06/27/06 01:49 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Let me make one brief point on the water quality issue.

One time I was ice fishing with a well known Nebraska fisheries biologist on a five acre pond which was somewhat shallow.

Since there was ice, the water quality was extemely good. I could see all the way to the bottom easily in five feet of water. I was looking down the hole and a dozen or so catfish swam by. I could see 'em clear as day. As they passed I caught one and the others swam on. Well these few fish made the water so turbid during that one pass that the water clarity dropped to a few inches and stayed that way for over an hour.

So my point is, I think several hundred carp in a shallow cove with fine particle clay substrate could cause immediate turbidity and I can imagine that the converse would be true that removing them would allow for increase in water quality shortly thereafter.

Good job, guys.
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#22485 - 06/27/06 02:25 PM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Keep after those carp Nedoc, your SMB will thank you! ;\)
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#22486 - 06/28/06 12:15 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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Thats a good bit of info and a good observation Bruce and I bet you had a good time with Dr. Peters perhaps???
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#22487 - 06/28/06 07:54 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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We shall see how this works out. We have a couple other ponds NEfish and I are going to seine. One with similar turbidity problems due to bullhead. This one is small enough that I think we can get the majority of bullhead and get a good idea how much difference it makes in water clarity.

Edit: After reading Bruce's comments I am glad I left the catfish laying on the bank. I realized they stir up sediment, but I did not realize they would make as much difference as a carp.
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#22488 - 06/28/06 08:34 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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I was with Dave Tunink, who is an administrator for Nebraska Game and Parks Commission fisheries division.

I think the type of substrate in the pond is important, as is the foraging technique being used by the catfish. If the catfish's food is on the bottom, that's where he'll spend his time.
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#22489 - 06/28/06 10:24 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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NEDOC, good decision on your part to leave all those catfish high and dry. We really should have kept a couple of those nice sizer's and fried them up that night but I think we can get some more "somewhere"????
Also, Scott, the fella that took the pictures that day did not use a digital camera. Soooo... he is going to scan them as soon as he gets them developed and I will post them asap.

I think our next job is to get those trees out of the west finger and run the siene though there. Get the vegetation growing!
And by the way, have you been down to see how the coons cleaned up??

Bruce, I know Dave. I worked for Gerald Mestl for the last 4 summers on the MO Riv. and got to know Dave around the office. Dave is quite the character.
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#22490 - 06/28/06 10:54 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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NEDOC, Im really busy at work today as you can tell and was looking at some previous posts and came across the idea of a gill net. I understand in warm water that it will kill the fish without a doubt, but as far as right now with not very many quality fish in the pond and killing of the fish anyway, do you think it could be set out over night and do a job on the carp and cats? With the right size of mesh it would eliminate all the larger carp and let the smaller BG and crappie swim through. Just a thought, but the only problem is finding a net.
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#22491 - 06/28/06 11:19 AM Re: He's buying a seine...
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NEfish, great thinking. In fact, in one of the old Pond Boss issues (circa 1994) they had an article about a guy who eliminated carp from a LMB pond by gill netting them. I was considering doing that rather than a seining net, and than Bruce mentioned he was interested in purchasing a seine, so I went that direction. I need to research it a little more to see what size I need. In fact, I have called a few net companies to get assistance. It is an interesting idea to try, but I imagine eventually I will drain the pond and start over anyway. At this point I would rather not dump a bunch more money into a gill net if I am going to drain it anyway. At least with the seine I know I will use it when I build my smaller 'grow out' pond in a few years.

I have been considering ordering a small gill net (maybe 40 ft.) for the purpose of removing carp and catfish. I will have to look into that further. See what you can come up with for info on that and maybe we will do it next year.

Anybody with any gill net experience, please feel free to chime in.
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