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#22086 10/01/05 03:22 AM
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I have about 3 inches of visibility in my pond, there is probably enought suspended clay to model GM's protoypes for the next ten years. I am in dire need of a predator and would like to know what role, if any, the turbidity plays in the numbers stocked. I have abundant forage, tilapia, and I feed once a day. I have a poacher and at least one small heron, they will account for about 40% mortality based on past experience. The predators are 1 3/4", can't find larger, thats a Theo logical story.


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Rad :

This post will probably not help much but may lead to you an idea or two.

If your pond's water is typical of the waters in your area of the world then think about the predators that thrive in local conditions like yours. If your fish population is very different than local waters then adjust the size and stocking rate.

The only predators that I know do well in muddy water are catfish. Sight feeders generaly do not do as well in muddy water. I know you have several catfish types in your area. I would think that those that inhabit lowland muddy static rivers and swamps might work.

I hope this helps but it is not .02 cents worth but maybe a tenth of a cents worth. ewest
















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Rad,

Have you considered a few peacock bass? Probably only need four or five and if you could get single sex might be preferable. Don mentioned that he had them in his pond...they are a hoot to catch....don't know if they have any bad characteristics.

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ewest and ML,
Thanks for the replies, I have a predator in mind, barramundi, what I was wondering was, would the turbidity change the stocking ratio.


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Rad,

Ah, barramundi, I've read about them. My guess is you want to stock very few to start with regardless of the turbidity. Stock a couple and watch what happens...if you like the results, maybe add another couple of them...go slow, would be my advice. Find a balance before overstocking, instead of trying to correct after overstocking....sure you don't want a peacock bass? \:\)

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Rad :

I thought they were an Aussie fish, Do you have them also? If they are a primary sight feeder then turbity will effect how many to stock. I agree with ML and would go very slow until you know more. I would try 1 only . I would not want any chance of reproduction until I knew more. I bet you have checked on them already . ewest
















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Thanks I will start slow. The fish is native in the Indian ocean and found in brackish waters and are not supposed to breed in brackish waters, also they are slow to mature yet grow rapidly? I have seen references to it being caught along the coast in Malaysia and Thailand where the water clarity in the mangroves and at the mouths of rivers is poor. I am hoping that their ability to hunt in that type of environment will help me. ML, Don mentioned something about peacocks not hitting surface lures and he and I both are looking for a largemouth bass type of fish. Or the rush you get from a powerful strike as your lure hits the water.


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Rad :

Don't know a lot about PBass but all the times I have seen fishing shows on them they were using and catching PBass on top water plugs. Very strong strikes on the surface.

More importantly look at the PBass anatomy and physiology . Its eyes are forward and face out and up. That alone would make me think that it is a surface feeder with binocular vision in a strike range above and in front of its head. ewest
















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The truth is that Rad just likes the way the word, "barramundi," sounds.

He's currently cataloging all the ways he can work the word, "barramundi," into a conversation.

For example: "No, I did not empty the dishwasher. I was too busy with my BARRAMUNDI!"


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Rad,

Peacock Bass are noted for top water action in South America...they fish for them virtually exclusively that way. Like EWEST said, they are made for top water feeding. Surprising that Don observed differently.

I've had friends that have caught them and really rave about their tenacity and aggressiveness...its on my "life" list for fish I want to catch before I can't fish anymore.

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Sunil,
you caught me out, now if I could only find a dishwasher, plus barramundi has a much better roll to it than giant sea bass.
ewest and ML,
I went back and re read Don's post and he referred to their not striking at the surface. I think there are two types of peacock bass, don't quote me, Don said butterfly peacock? Any way, I am going to shop a market on Saturday where all types of fish are sold and take a look for the peacock and the barramundi.


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Rad :

I understand that the barramundi are very good to eat don't know about PBass. ewest
















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An aside, an Aussie company set up shop in the northeast US, they are going to raise and sell barramundi fillets. They raised the first batch, filleted them, 126 grams, and found that the US market wanted a larger piece of fish, 156 grams. Don't know if they will continue or not, but, barrimundi are now aquacultured in the US.


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Just as an aside to what has been mentioned here regarding Peacock bass... PB are known for hitting surface lures. They explode on them. There are several different variations of peacock(Speckled, Butterfly, Royal to name a few) but all share the same aggresive nature just differ in sizes. Southern Flordia has successfully introduced Butterfly Peacock Bass that are a complete thrill to catch. Besides being a beautiful fish, pound for pound they are the best fighting freshwater fish I have caught. I've caught them on everything from Shiners to Topwater to Swimbaits and everything in between. Very aggressive and powerful predator.

Sorry for the interjection. Now back to your regular programming.

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Originally posted by CMOS:
Sorry for the interjection.
CMOS,

Welcome. No apology needed.....certainly from my view. Personal first hand experiences are most valued herein. It's what makes this a great place. Anybody can restate what they read in a book, but nothing beats the honest real deal, for me.

Glad to have another salt water fisherperson to add salinity to this bunch. \:D

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Thanks CMOS,
I will be looking for them tomorrow.


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Rad, is there a reason that you aren't considering catfish? They are a good muddy water predator.

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Language barrier is one of the biggest reasons, here a catfish is a catfish, might include anything from a mekong giant to a snakehead, all with the same name. Thailand has many flavors of catfish, most are omnivores. I aready have several, and not by choice.


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Ok, the police cracked down on the fish market, no peacock bass in my area, so the government is my only choice. Hmm, I wonder if that was the plan? Anyway, the government only has 2 sizes of barramundi for sale, small or 1". This is the last sale until next year. I have no known predator, except the small fat snake, but, I have few 2 to 4" tilapia. Many 1 1/4 or smaller and lots 5" and up.
They will sell me a 100 for $5, how many of them do I put in the pond? I can do a put and take as there is a pond near me who's owner would dearly love them.


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Well, I bought the barramundi. Released 110 1 inch long voracious little monsters the second week in Novemeber. I watched them sink away as I released them and wondered if I would ever see any of them again. I have walked the pond edge almost every day and could not find a one until yesterday, they are very distintive. I was watching a group of about 200 fry swimming along the edge when something shot up into their midst and was gone. I watched for several more minutes and it happened several more times as the fry swam past the same area of the first strike. I finally saw that there were two fish who were eating the fry, both barramundi. The fry would swim by the barramundi then when attacked they would swim a few feet out from shore and be attacked by some red tilapia fingerlings. Something I had never seen before. I have seen fingerlings feeding on pellets innermingled with fry and the fry not being touched. So I don't know what caused the fingerlings to attack. I watched the fry swim 100' or so along the bank and only be attacked in the one place where the barramundi were hiding.


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Fascinating! Keep it comin'!


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Rad :

That sounds a little like the territorial feeding habits of a large LMB . Stays in a favorite spot moving up and down in the water column and attacks what comes by . ewest
















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That would be perfect, right now I have so many fry to fingerling fish that I have started feeding them. The monsoon limits the amount of sunshine I get which limits the amount of algae that grows. All these vicious circles, I will probably be trying to control the baramundi in a couple of weeks.


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Rad, correct me if I'm wrong, but did your pond grow by 1/10 of an acre? I seem to remember it being 2/10 of an acre, now I see it as 3/10 of an acre.

Man that barramundi is a very capable fish!!


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Sunil :

Its all those tilapia they eat all the plant life and then start on the bottom muck and next the sides of the pond. Before you know it the pond is 10 ft deeper and 25% bigger. \:D \:D
















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