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#209464 - 03/22/10 10:26 AM Raising Perch
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Hi all;
Been a while since I've posted, brief update of what's going on in my little world. One acre pond,eleven feet deep, NY state.
Had to drain my pond and start all over again due to a self-inflicted bullhead infestation. I've decided I want to concentrate on raising nice big fat perch. I did this last time but my channel cats got big and ate the young and they fizzeled out. This time I'd like to only raise perch. I will be feeding them all they want and will start things off with stocking fatheads, daphnia, snails and clams. I guess my main questions are;
I have read that it's hard to raise only one specie in a pond and I am worried about ending up with a pond full of small perch. What do I do to avoid this?
I had problems with duckweed and watermeal and expect it to return. Would aquashade or another dye help to keep this from returning and what would be the negative effects of dye in the water. Right now the pond has nothing in it except some trapdoor snails.
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#209470 - 03/22/10 11:04 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Tyler]
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The dye will do no good for those plants. It works by reducing sunlight to the plants, and as you know, they float.

With no predators, you will have to fill that role. Perch will stunt because of overpopulation, so you and a fishing rod will have to keep them in check.
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#209630 - 03/23/10 02:43 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: esshup]
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Hi Tyler,

Bill Cody wrote a great series on Perch several years ago. It detailed his work and success with just perch. After reading it several times, one of his biggest points is get feed trained YP. If you PM Bill, (I am speaking way out of bounds here) maybe he would send you copies of the articles. He also details fish that co-exist with perch specifically if perch is your target fish. Even thoug perch are only part of my future fishery, the article really helped in the planning of my pond

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#209682 - 03/23/10 08:53 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: esshup]
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 Originally Posted By: esshup

With no predators, you will have to fill that role. Perch will stunt because of overpopulation, so you and a fishing rod will have to keep them in check.


Grasshoppa you have to think out of the box. As Kurt said it is possible to raise perch to large size without a predato as Bill Cody does. Other than using feed trained perch that are primarily females and periodically stocking new ones, Bill also removes all the perch eggs he sees and he has a slot limit. Bill?

Here is a picture of some perch his guest is holding out of Bill's 3/4 acre pond. I hope you don't mind me posting this picture Bill.




Edited by Bill Cody (03/23/10 09:15 PM)
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#209688 - 03/23/10 09:05 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Impressive thing is, any of the fish would be a personal best for 99% of the fisherman out there!
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#209692 - 03/23/10 09:09 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: CJBS2003]
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Impressive thing is, any of the fish would be a personal best for 99% of the fisherman out there!


Yeah I posted that on a fishing site and everyone wanted to know where it was. If Bill wasn't a good friend I could have had some fun with that.
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#209698 - 03/23/10 09:21 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Believe it or not, those fish are the harvestable, keeper slot size perch. All larger perch are released for continued growth. Some days it is a challenge to catch the keeper sized fish. In addition to mannual thinning of eggs and YOY perch, I have a few walleye/saugeye in the pond to help reduce the 3"-7" perch.
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#209706 - 03/23/10 09:37 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Bill Cody]
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How long before you break the 20" mark? Mind blowing!
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#209720 - 03/23/10 10:09 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Bill Cody]
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 Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Believe it or not, those fish are the harvestable, keeper slot size perch. All larger perch are released for continued growth. Some days it is a challenge to catch the keeper sized fish. In addition to mannual thinning of eggs and YOY perch, I have a few walleye/saugeye in the pond to help reduce the 3"-7" perch.


Bill how long ago did you stock the walleye/sauger? You haven't stocked any in a while have you?
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#209725 - 03/23/10 10:35 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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 Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1


Grasshoppa you have to think out of the box. As Kurt said it is possible to raise perch to large size without a predato as Bill Cody does.


Now mind you, I'm not complaining in the least.

Every time I start to get close to the sides of the box, you guys keep making it bigger!
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#209731 - 03/23/10 10:57 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1


Grasshoppa you have to think out of the box. As Kurt said it is possible to raise perch to large size without a predato as Bill Cody does.


Now mind you, I'm not complaining in the least.

Every time I start to get close to the sides of the box, you guys keep making it bigger! grin


It's a big box but you're learning fast. grin Sadly some state DNR's have never been out of the box and refuse to do so. Ours still thinks growing big bluegills is simply a matter of thinning them out. Never mind the latest research. Hence why they refuse to drop have a limit on bluegill in my state. Some anglers absolutely rape them off the beds removing every last one of them in the hundreds. Then they give them away to people that don't buy a fishing license.


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#209755 - 03/24/10 07:08 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Wow, this is getting lively!Thanks for all the responses.
I had planned to remove excessive yoy by using minnow traps and destroying eggs. The perch I had in my pond before draining were perchased from Zetts in Pa. and did grow to the size in the picture. They had no problems eating pellets.
I doubt I could purchase mostly female perch from Zetts, is there anywhere else within a couple hundred miles that would have them for sale? Thanks again
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#209787 - 03/24/10 09:59 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Tyler]
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Schultz's Fish Hatchery has perch!
http://www.buybass.com/yellow_perch.html

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#210209 - 03/27/10 01:57 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: MarkS]
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The lit says they'll probably exceed 17 inches?
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#210212 - 03/27/10 02:00 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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 Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
The lit says they'll probably exceed 17 inches?


"Because this is our new breed of yellow perch we do not yet know its maximum growth, however there are indications that it will grow to over 17 inches."

Sounds like wishful thinking.....
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#210214 - 03/27/10 02:04 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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The YP that Cecil and I grow normally top out at 15"-16". We are trying hard to grow that elusive 17"er.


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#210222 - 03/27/10 02:48 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Bill Cody]
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Seems like I'm a long ways behind you, but add me to the list of trying to bust the 17" mark! Now, if I can just break 13" this Spring I'll be elated!
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#210229 - 03/27/10 03:26 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Just to be clear I have no doubt Kevin has an outstanding operation and outstanding quality fish, but I'm skeptical as I think there are only two, maybe three, documented yellow perch 17 inches or over in the record books. There are not many even over 16 inches.
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#210231 - 03/27/10 03:28 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: teehjaeh57]
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 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Seems like I'm a long ways behind you, but add me to the list of trying to bust the 17" mark! Now, if I can just break 13" this Spring I'll be elated!


You shouldn't have any problems eventually getting them over 14 inches if they are well fed. You will probably have some 15 inch fish. However for some reason that 16 inch barrier is almost impossible to break.

On a couple of fishing sites a friend and I hear of fish 16 inches or over, but for some curious reason when we ask for a picture or proof it never materializes.


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#210238 - 03/27/10 04:07 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Cecil should write a book, "The History of Trophy Yellow Perch". Seriously, he knows more about trophy YP than anyone!
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#210273 - 03/27/10 09:47 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: CJBS2003]
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Agreed - get to typin' Cecil! Considering one book sold now!
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#210293 - 03/28/10 08:41 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: CJBS2003]
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Cecil should write a book, "The History of Trophy Yellow Perch". Seriously, he knows more about trophy YP than anyone!


Actually as far as statistics and history my friend in Michigan, Doug Seibert is the man. As I may have related here previously, he is a trophy perch aficionado and had thoroughly researched where and when all the records were taken. Also whenever he hears of a monster perch caught in Michigan he goes to check it out whether it be an angler, or it's mounted on some bar room wall halfway across the state. He tells me more often then not the perch are not as big as stated.

Here's some info he gave me recently which I posted in another thread in case you missed it: Keep in mind the "chest pounding liars" he is referring to are anglers on the fishing sites that make grandiose claims but can never prove them with a photo. It seems they never have the camera when needed, but they do at other times. grin


Hi Cecil,
I'm always fascinated with giant perch information so I spent some time doing some more internet research. It also provides me with some facts to counter the BS claims of some incredibly large perch (For which there is no proof.)
The elite states who have record perch 3 lbs or heavier are:
1) New Jersey...historical world record.....4 bs 3 oz
No length recorded. Caught in 1865
2) Michigan.....3 lbs 12 oz.....21"...caught in 1947
3) New York....3 lbs 8 oz....no length....caught in1982
4) Maryland.....3 lbs 5 oz....16 1/4"......caught in 2006
5) South Carlolina...3 lbs 4 oz...16 1/2"...caught on 1979
6) Wisconsin....3 lbs 4 oz....no length....caught in 1952.

It's noteworthy that the Michigan record perch is the single recorded perch in any state that was over 17" long. So when one of the chest pounding liars claims someone caught an 18"+ perch I think I'll mention these stats.(LOL) Even the 3lb+ record perch were under 17" long. There's no question that your pond monster would have surpassed the magical 3 lb mark if it had been caught when full of eggs. Here's a very interesting photo of the Maryland record perch.
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/recreational/tournament/staterecords/ypstrecfrshwtr.html



Edited by Cecil Baird1 (06/16/10 11:51 AM)
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#210305 - 03/28/10 09:46 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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The interesting story of that MD record perch was it was a fluke... It was the only perch stocked into that pond and was caught several years later... No competition from other YP and the right conditions and wham!
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#221997 - 06/15/10 04:19 PM Re: Raising Perch [Re: Tyler]
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Just wanted to know if you fixed you pond yet?

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#222127 - 06/16/10 11:51 AM Re: Raising Perch [Re: MRHELLO]
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Just wanted to know if you fixed you pond yet?


Which one of us are you talking about?
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