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#203694 - 02/11/10 06:23 PM Crappie experiment
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Ok I am working with Greg too start a crappie pond in a 3/4 acre pond I have we are starting the project together as an experiment. I know there is a lot of info against crappie stocking but I want to prove that scientifically thiscan be done with success.
I am going to start with a good areator tons of Golden shiners and G minnows and about 200 crapie (black) . I thought about the Hy Tech spec (hybrid )crappie but not sure about this fish anyone have any experience with them?
Im going to use a few huge LMB out of my larger pond and Hybrid stripers as predators.
The pond has a lot of aquatic plants so im also going to add som grass carp .
Ive already been in my workshop buildind some nice structure to sink and hopefully all goes well.




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#203700 - 02/11/10 07:46 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: DocFish]
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Keep us posted Doc, I've wanted to try myself but have only heard bad about a crappie pond. I'd like to have one.
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#203705 - 02/11/10 08:25 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Cisco]
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With Greg helping I'll be putting my money on ya'll making it work.
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#203708 - 02/11/10 08:50 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Ric Swaim]
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You can't fool mother nature but for a while you may be able to out manage her. Read the crappie threads here for a better chance. Let us know what is going on as it happens. Collectively we may have a better chance.
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#203735 - 02/11/10 11:17 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: ewest]
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I'd make sure the LMB you stock are all one sex to prevent them from reproducing and add a few new ones each year to make up for mortality. Get the vegetation cut back a bit and manually remove as many crappie as you can yourself and I can see you growing some very nice crappies.
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#203748 - 02/12/10 07:38 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: CJBS2003]
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I wouldn't worry about overpopulation. A 3/4 acre pond is very easy to fish out.
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#203757 - 02/12/10 08:51 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: bobad]
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I agree Bobad and wonder if all the extra management effort is worth a few nice Crappie a year. Sure could be to some people. I do think keeping a balanced (good condition) population of crappie , LMB and HSB and forage might be a real test of our collective abilities.
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#203760 - 02/12/10 09:20 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: ewest]
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If yall and doc want I can post my rec. here. Ideally I would stock the forage first then crappie then hsb instead we are doing it all together. I think he is willing to try this knowing it is experimental.

I may try to talk him out of any lmb unless like Cj says we sex them 100% to be female. I think we can control the crappie repro with hsb.

My questiosn is with a forage base of golden shiners and fathead minnows and a feeder for hsb do you think that will yield good crappie growth or do you think adding bluegil is a good idea? I got my opinion and want to hear yours.
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#203764 - 02/12/10 09:49 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Greg Grimes]
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Greg have you seen the SEP info on their success with this approach. Might want to call Jeff. They use FH , TShad , crappie and HSB. IMO you will need to use several approaches at different times to adjust the plan to what is happing in the water. There are too many variables for any one size fits all plan to work. I would hold off on the BG at first. You may need to limit feeding during the period just before the crappie spawn and for several mths after to force the HSB and GShiners to go after the crappie.




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#203784 - 02/12/10 11:57 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: ewest]
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Yes Eric I remember the talk at PB conf and spoke with slipke about it. POnd is small and shallow so bad combo for tshad as you know so that is out. That was my thinking on adding bluegill later if deemed neccesary. Good call on no feed after crappie spawn. thanks
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#203794 - 02/12/10 12:33 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Greg Grimes]
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I don't think BG will be much if any benefit for you. In fact I believe it will only add another variable to the equation for you to ponder down the road when trying to decide if this is a good formula or not. I agree about Tshad not working in a pond that size, so would stick with FHM and GSH for forage. I don't think there is any way around having to add more forage at times down the road and would expect to have to do a lot more population evaluating in this kind of set up vs. a BG/LMB pond. The only self-regulating crappie ponds that I have seen on a regular basis have been deep borrow pit type ponds that the river floods in every few years or so.

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#203829 - 02/12/10 04:06 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: HoneyHole]
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I also thought we were told at the PB conference not to put HSB in any pond smaller than 3 acres? Or did I hear that wrong? I know this is an expeirment but isn't that what the gentleman said at the PBC?
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#203837 - 02/12/10 05:36 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: RC51]
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When we are talking about a small pond, good or bad there will not be much lost. Lets try it.

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#203846 - 02/12/10 06:29 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: otto]
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I believe you heard that wrong.
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#203856 - 02/12/10 07:37 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: otto]
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That is exactly how I feel about the situation. I have a larger pond that is the prototypical LMB BG etc fishery.
I got cabin fever so bad this year with the winter weather that I said what the heck . I went to Lake Lanier with a local guide (Doug Younblood ) yesterday and we nailed 70 black crappie in 3 and 1/2 hours. They were still biting when we left. Water temp. was 43 45.5 by noon. I said man if only I could do this in my front yard! Thus the crappie pond ideaa. I am willing to work with greg and spend my "monthly" allowance on the experiment! Besides I am a doc my whole life is an experiment. I like trend setting so I am going for it. Worse case scenario,.. we drain the pond and start over. Best case scenario I have a productive crappie fishery and my own data on starting one ;)!
ill get you all some pics soon. It snowed in Alanta tday and I got some beautiful pics to share, ill also show you the pond.

Thanx for all the wisdom guys!
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#203859 - 02/12/10 08:12 PM Re: Crappie experiment BASS LAKE [Re: DocFish]
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#203860 - 02/12/10 08:14 PM Re: Crappie experiment BASS LAKE [Re: DocFish]
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#203864 - 02/12/10 08:28 PM Re: Crappie experiment BASS LAKE [Re: DocFish]
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Beautiful ponds! I am interested to see the results.
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#203878 - 02/12/10 09:38 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Greg Grimes]
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Could you plan on dumping fifty pounds of forage each month

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#203917 - 02/13/10 06:40 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: james holt]
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Hey Doc, is this a "practice"?
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#203928 - 02/13/10 09:02 AM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Go for it ! We will help as much as we can.

HSB can do ok in small ponds. TShad sometimes will not work in small ponds and that is why Greg's thought was to replace them with GShiners. The guy you heard was from SEP which is doing the expirment we were talking about with success. They are using TShad so they may well have said not to try their approach in small ponds with HSB and TShad. That is because of the TShad not the HSB.


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#203942 - 02/13/10 10:48 AM Re: Crappie experiment BASS LAKE [Re: DocFish]
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Very interested in seeing how this goes too.
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#203992 - 02/13/10 07:34 PM Re: Crappie experiment BASS LAKE [Re: Omaha]
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Hey Doc

Great project - am excited to see the results. I also started a Hybrid crappie project last year - using Magnolia Crappie - BCxWC hybrid - and stocked 150 3-4" with abundant GSH and FH forage base and a 12 6" HSB in a .2 ac pond so the negative impact is minimal should the Crappie overpopluate. Magnolia Crappie offspring are reportedly very inferior and their population is theorhetically easily controlled. I don't have any data to report from my experiment yet, but wanted you to know we seem to share goals. With Greg at the helm and helpful guidance from the forum I think you've put all the odds in your favor.
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#203993 - 02/13/10 07:36 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: DocFish]
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 Originally Posted By: DocFish
That is exactly how I feel about the situation. I have a larger pond that is the prototypical LMB BG etc fishery.
I got cabin fever so bad this year with the winter weather that I said what the heck . I went to Lake Lanier with a local guide (Doug Younblood ) yesterday and we nailed 70 black crappie in 3 and 1/2 hours. They were still biting when we left. Water temp. was 43 45.5 by noon. I said man if only I could do this in my front yard! Thus the crappie pond ideaa. I am willing to work with greg and spend my "monthly" allowance on the experiment! Besides I am a doc my whole life is an experiment. I like trend setting so I am going for it. Worse case scenario,.. we drain the pond and start over. Best case scenario I have a productive crappie fishery and my own data on starting one ;)!
ill get you all some pics soon. It snowed in Alanta tday and I got some beautiful pics to share, ill also show you the pond.

Thanx for all the wisdom guys!


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#204025 - 02/13/10 11:03 PM Re: Crappie experiment [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Doc - Are hybrid crappie avaliable to you or Greg?. I would look at the pros and cons of hybrids before stocking any crappie. If hybrid crappie are available why would you not want to use them?

You mentioned feeding pellets. Who are pellets for?

Do you plan on fertilizing the pond?


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