Pond Boss Forums GENERAL QUESTIONS Pond Boss Rifle question

RAH, they are one in the same.

The only way to know for sure is to try it. I've found that being consistent in as many things as possible (hand position, pressure, trigger finger placement, etc) yields the best results.

My Accutrigger Savage in .22lr that was rebarreled specifically for the Aguilar 60 gr. SSS shoots better that way when the bipod is used vs. bags front and back. They're probably pretty close to having the same amount of recoil.

Interesting essup about the preloading. ZERO recoil of course with the 17cal, but have ordered another Harris bi-pod for my 22-250 so will try your pre load. The bi pod pictured is a 13.5"-23" and I found it too short for a sitting shot. The new one will be 12"-25"..The stock magazine holds 5 shots. The trigger out of the box is firm, but since I don't have a Lyman gauge, I'm not sure what it is. There is a mod to lessen trigger pull(spring) and creep(seer adjustment) that I will try. I can tell you that after shooting the 17cal, it will be harder to grab the Ruger 10/22, even though I love that gun. If Ruger could figure out how to get their 10/22 carbine to accurately shoot 17cal, well I'd go broke buying ammo...

Midway and Brownell's sell a barrel that will convert a 10/22 magnum to 17 HMR..... I'm unsure whether it just is a simple barrel swap or if more parts are needed like converting a 10/22 to .17 MachII. I don't know how accurate they are tho.

Start buying ammo!

Here's what I have in 17 mach 2:
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=MLR17M2BFC
They take a 1022 action & build these rifles. I've never shot anything more accurate.

I'm not familiar with converting but there's more to it than just changing bbls. At the very least extra weight has to be added to the bolt to asorb the higher recoil in the .17's.

A couple things to consider... I wouldn't worry excessively about noise. No one locates that first shot. It's the second one that tracks you down. Second, I would worry about ricochets. Advantage of something like the .17 Rem and the .204 Ruger is that the bullet is fragile enough that it shouldn't ricochet (it should explode instead with pieces losing velocity fast). Another advantage is that they seem to be extremely accurate cartridges.

Rest of my post somewhat unrelated... I have two rifles that will honestly do 1/2" groups from a bench at 100 years in front of witnesses. One is a Ruger R77V in .22-250. The other is a Remington 700 BDL in .17 Rem. I don't have a .204 yet; but I've been tempted for a long time. The Ruger was a horrendous shooter (3-4" groups) until I had a gunsmith work on the bedding and trigger. Was like a completely different rifle. The Remington was used. Person just had iron sights on it. I was able to test it before buying. Shot great; but had a nasty habit of going off when closing the bolt occasionally - even with finger totally away from trigger. Got that fixed. Great rifle. Shot a lot of critters with each. Wouldn't recommend them for heavier stuff where they might blow up without adequate penetration; but they are pretty amazing for smaller varmits.

Rangersedge, you made a good point that I may not have mentioned concerning bullets richocheting and down range travel. Even though I live on 75 acres, I was more worried about those factors shooting my 22-250 than the target! As you stated, the 17HMR's ballistics remove those concerns, making it a more enjoyable rifle to shoot. I talked to a small bore shooter about the .204, but he said they are pretty loud so cossed it off my list. He also really likes the caliber for pdogs, etc. But, looks like you need to reload or be rich to afford the ammo..du

Yes, the factory ammo for the .204 is pricey. It is a great caliber IMO though.

All amo is now expensive, when you can find it.

BTW my other wildlife business was recently setup for wholesale ammo. My biz plan is to market to my customer base. I will provide them my cost up front let them add 10%. Most business would fail with this profit margin but it is gravy money for me. SOme prices are 30-40 off sporting good prices. Some are not that good. Tosn of hunting supplies, optics, reloading equipment, archery (the reason I got setup with them), etc.
I have a minimum order of $150 but if any wants ammo email me a list of what your looking for. Lots of calibers low or no supply right now.

Greg:

Thanks for posting. I'll be sure to give you a shout the next time I'm looking for goodies.

In your spare time, would you shoot me a price on a Nightforce 5.5-22x50 NPR1 reticle rifle scope with zero stop? I ordered one recently, and I want to see how bad I did. I think that might meet your minimum!

Yikes! I don't even wanna know what that bad boy cost! Thanks for the info Greg. Next time I am buying ammo I'll give you a holler.

esshup, swing and a miss. Of all the ones to ask me about, 52 manufactures of scopes and choose one my supplier does not carry. I'm seraching now for the nikno monarch for your buddy. I will update tommorrow, headed out to work on foxworthy lake again.

Thanks Greg. I'll look for your reply. CJ: It could have been worse, I didn't go with Schmidt & Bender! From what I'm expecting of this particular lead thrower, I thought it deserved good glass, and I like the NPR1 reticle vs the NPR2. I wish the horizontal stadia lines were 1 MOA as well. The Leupold Mark IV weighs a little bit less, but I like the bigger magnification for the longer shots that this rifle is capable of making.

Essup's scope http://www.authorizedoptics.com/nightforce-nxs-5-22x50-npr1.html Another of those "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" things I know all too well about. Heck, I'm just glad to get a VariX-II Leupold..du

David U:

Close, but not quite, mine also has the zero stop option. Even so, at the price that's in your link, it's still more than what I paid for it new. It was more than a Leupy tho!

I'll throw a pic up here when I get the gun. I'm hopeing that it's before the Wy. trip next month. I've got everything crossed that possibly could be crossed hoping that it'll make it in time.

I can't believe how fast good optics are increasing in price. I think it's even worse than the price increases on ammo!

How's the new rifle working out??

esshup, what are you hunting. I tried for an after issue Antelope license in the Como Bluffs area, but missed out. Bought a point, so maybe better luck nest year..du

Speed goats. I can't believe that I got that lucky. I used up my preference points last year on an antelope, and put in for unit 71 as first choice, 72 as second. I didn't get my first choice, but I was pulled for both buck and doe in unit 72 plus, because it was my 2nd choice, I got a preference point as well. Last year we hunted Unit 71 and glassed tons of Antelope. Unit 72 is just right next door, so I'm hoping the hunting is just as well. This year I'll be a bit more selective. We'll do a bit of varmint hunting as well, so I'll be bringing a few different guns.

I want to see pics!

Like this?






Or like this?





Or this?

I even like my muzzleloaders to be accurate! To the squeamish: I apologize for the red snow. I don't photoshop very well.

Oh the brutality! HAHA

Make it more sporting, next time use a stun gun.

Speed Goats!!! I love it.

They are indeed the second fastest land animal on the planet.

esshup, love the neck shot on the nice whitetail buck! Man, what I'd give to be able to hunt in the snow. In my life, done it maybe 8 or 10 times, and most of those were bird hunts.

What kind of muzzleloader is that? Is the wood factory? Looks very interesting....and accurate!!

And no apologies necessary....red snow ROCKS!!

Hunting in the snow is nice for a while, but it gets old when the snow is knee deep and the temps start dropping below 0*F!

The stock is a Richards Microfit laminate, the gun is a Savage ML-I muzzleloader (the first generation). It was designed to use regular rifle powder, so I don't have to clean it after a day of shooting with soap & water. I just take care of it like any centerfire rifle. It normally shoots right around 3/4" c-c @ 100 Yds, it's best group was just under 1/2" c-c. It likes 250 gr. Hornady SST's, pushed by 43.5g of IMR-4759 for a Mv right around 2250 fps.

I suspect getting shot by that might sting a bit...