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Thanks Theo... Coming from you that means a lot!

I would definitely look up every alternative Webster's definition of "Well", "Your're", "An", "Impressive", and "Guy", including those from old english, before I accepted any compliment from Theo, even sarcastically.

Well you did indeed get lucky sir! That's one accurate rifle you have there.

However, when I said you will either have to get lucky or spend big $$$ I was refering to the rimfires, .22LR & WMR.

I have no delusions what so ever about the accuracy of the various .22 centerfires. I have had me some real shooters, but never a stock one that would do an inch at 200 yds. Yes sir, you did get lucky!! You should cherish that rifle and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER get rid of it. EVER!!!!!!!

Oh yeah....don't EVER loan it out either.

I had a Sako 75 Lefthand in .222 that grouped real well. Also have one in .25-06 as my day to day deer hunting rifle. Shot a Sako 85 the other day in .204 Ruger and a modified Sako Finnfire .22LR, and both were better than the .222. I wish I had known a few weeks ago. You could have tried a .22 Magnum I had and sold to see what it was like.

Aguila .22 LR Super Maximum 30-gr. This is an interesting possibility. CJBS, will it shoot in the Ruger 10/22 without problems?? Sure would be cheaper, but have you looked at the ballistics at 80-100 yards? Do you think this 22LR round would be lethal to say, Geese or yotes at that distance?? I've done a lot of reading on about every gun website out there, and there are as many opinions as people as the merits of the 22cal Mag, the 17cal HMR, and the 22cal Hornet. The .222 and .204 are nice calibers, but again the noise factor is the issue(probably not going the suppressor route due to govt hoops)..du

I haven't killed a deer with my .222 but I know a few people who have and I just read the current regs and can't see where it says the round is illegal in PA for deer either, the reg states lawful arms and ammunition to include "Manually operated centerfire rifles and handguns with all lead bullets or ball, or bullet designed to expand on impact". doesn't rule out even a 22 hornet from that, where did you ever hear it was illegal in PA CJ?? I know elk require .27 cal or better and muzzle loaders are .44 cal or larger??

I don't shoot many groups at 200 yards so I don't know what my rifle will do, but I have shot 33 rounds and killed 33 woodchucks in a one week period a few summers back. Just last week, Tuesday night in fact, I shot 9 chucks with eleven rounds in a 25 minute hunt, ranges vary from 10 to 200 yards, if you had a fishing lure that effective no one would want to fish with you, bank on that, and yes I hunt woodchucks alone.

I will maintain that the .22 cal is a better chuck round than the .17 for my style of "thumpin".

Do any of you all have a 22 Hornet? It' a centerfire cartridge, it's been around for ever and there are only 3 manufactures..Ruger(doesn't get good reviews), Savage(has the ACCU Trigger), and CZ(everyone seems to like these) These aren't cheap guns!!! . Again, I won't have any shots over 150 yds. The problem with the 17cal where I live is it's sensitivity to wind. From reading, it appears that a 15MPH crosswind really moves it and in TX, there's always a 10-15 MPH breeze. I'm leaning a bit toward the 22 Hornet because of yotes. One got one of my chickens today. I've been killing them nicely with the 22-250, but I'm in the city limits and they are building houses and now a high school across the road in the near future..du

The Aguila .22 LR Super Maximum 30-gr works great in my 10/22. It cycles it fine and feeds great even in the after factor high cap mags I use in it sometimes. Far better than most other rounds I have shot out of my 10/22 and I have tried most of them.

How it works out to 100 yards? I honestly don't know. I have never tried shooting anything living with the round at that distance. I don't know if it would still have the knock down power at that distance. 30 gr isn't a big bullet. I would probably kill a goose no problem... A coyote, I am not so sure about.

I use to watch the coyotes eating the mice and rats in the fields. They were beautiful to watch, and playful. Never bothered a thing. Never bothered the chickens, the cats, or any other critter, and we've had them all. They did their thing, and we appreciated them for it. We used to be considered country back then.

Now, there aren't any coyotes to appreciate. The city folk, and the mice and rats have taken over.

Send me a message with the cost of your chicken/s and an email address, and I'll send you a paypal payment to cover the cost, if I can save what little bit of country we got left.

Thanks for your consideration.
Aldo

Don't know where Sand County is but most metropolitan areas (cities) are loaded with coyotes and other wildlife that has adapted to us. I live in a 35 year old house and subdivision. I see about one a month. I don't consider them a problem even at my land 70 miles away. No chickens here but kittens don't stand much of a chance unless kept in at night. I tend to like coyotes more than cats anyway.

Actually, in the country, I have more problems with neighbors dogs than I do coyotes. I've taken care of that problem several times.

I figure that if life on Earth ever gets wiped out there will be a couple of species that survive. Coyotes and coons will be the survivors.

Find a 5mm remington, its quite accurate..if not that then a .204 ruger, very little recoil and you can see your impacts in the scope.

Aldo Leo, I'm on the same page with you as to leaving things alone. I don't have a problem with any critters until they decide to invade "my area".. Yes, I realize they were here(where I live) first, but some are so fearless, that they ARE a problem. My wife has chased after a few with an apple picker hollaring her head off because they grabbed a chicken or cat. Those guys figure this out and sit out in our pasture just waiting for an oppurtunity. Those yotes are not going to do well.. Thanks again for your reply...du

Sand county? Don't know where that is either, but here in Lee County Texas I have given up trying to keep any fowl or small critters..As soon as the sun goes down it is absolute carnage and mayhem...City slickers don't seem to have much effect on varmints..I have seen Coyotes, Bobcats, Foxes, Skunks, Armadillos, raccoons, opossums..and even a Hog all within a mile of downtown Houston

Aldo, you didn't happen to write an almanac, did you?

If it'll give the guys any clues, the state is Wi.

Aldo, welcome to the forum. I talked to Luna a little while back and he said you were doing just fine.

Coyotes are all over southern California in record numbers. And they don't just kill cats. My parents lost two dogs to Coyotes. I had to clean up after both dog kills. Trust me it's not a pretty site. Coyotes will get over a 5 foot fence with easy. I'm not sure how they manage it but they do. We even see Coyotes here in the beach area occasionally. As people push into the wild areas encounters with Coyotes are inevitable.

I don't believe in killing every Coyote that you see. They are a part of nature. But if you do kill one at least you should use what you kill.

JHAP, now THAT'S funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Yea, Aldo Leopold..sorry I was in a rush this morning and didn't get it. Back from the grave?? Died in 1948. Really like his book though.. Nice first post, and welcome to Pond Boss..du

Here is one for you. Take a good look. No bullet holes , no car impact wounds , no outward problems. Look again. Do you see any fish remains ? Yep - dumped a bunch of fish from an ice chest that cousins were supposed to pick up but forgot. A few days after no ice and they were ripe. Dumped them in this location and came back in a week. Nothing added to the fish (no poison). I guess he ate to much or got a bone stuck.

(Not for the faint of heart)
What do you think killed this one?
Evidence for heavy, slow bullet proponents.

he's just sleeping

Theo, I don't think that "Bullet" was slow. Heavy, yes, but not slow. LOL

Here is the story with pictures. The under the hood picture was a mess:

http://www.autoracing1.com/hotnews.asp?tid=40839



Coyote Coleman
This is for real....he never saw it coming
06/06/09
Brad Coleman hits Coyote
Joe Gibbs Racing driver Brad Coleman was testing a Gibbs NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
car at Toyota Arizona Proving Grounds earlier this week and came onto the radio and
told his crew something rather unusual.
"Guys, I hit a coyote," Coleman said. Coleman was running close to 200 mph around the
10-mile test track when he saw the animal wander under the outside guardrail. "I'm in
the middle of the corner, and I'm doing like 190," Coleman said Friday at Nashville
Super Speedway before practicing his Nationwide Series car.
"I'm just cruising. You run the high line there, because that's where the most banking is.
It's the high-speed lane. There's just a guardrail there like on the freeway. I see this
thing, it must've been 100 feet in front of me, just jump out. Right when I saw it come out
from under the guardrail, I was like, 'That's a coyote.'"
"It just started smoking like crazy," Coleman said. "And it smelled terrible. I didn't see
anything in the mirror, so I was like, 'I wonder where it went?' I said, 'Guys, I hit a coyote.
I'm going to come in because I think it screwed up the radiator. I think it clogged up the
grille a little bit.'"

22LR works fine (Ruger 10/22) on coyotes with good placement in the kill zone (not head), but our chickens were done in by mink. Chickens are stupid filthy animals anyway. Get our eggs from a neighbor who keeps them in a varmint-proof cage. Eggs are cheep. Practice with a 22LR (which is cheep to shoot) and your range will improve. Get some advice from a competitive shooter and it will go a long way in improving accuracy.

What's the furthest shot anyone has killed a coyote with a .22LR?

I see coyotes in the middle of the city every now and again down here. Where a friend of mine lives (Right on the border of some protected wilderness) We see them every night. They don't seem to big around here, I don't imagine they could kill much more then a small terrier or cat.