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Nice work, B'ski! That's gonna be a heckuva spot for a PB conference in a few years.


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THE FISH-GUY COMETH
Almost a perfect delivery....almost.
We have opted to begin with 300 RES fingerlings, 300 YP fingerlings, and 75# of FH. We're the 2nd stop of 4 on this route. They hike in, meet us at the launch, survey the driveway set-up and determine that they would rather bring the goods to the pond in buckets on the back of the D-ski PU truck. All righty...I'll work with it. We all walk back out to the county road and prepare for the haul. Now mind you...this is all new to me, so I don't really know what to expect or really what to do other than take the fish to the pond. So, I asked the stupid, obvious questions...like...."so, ya got my whole order in that there tank?" He replies "yep, Perch, Redears, Blue Gills, and your Fatheads are over in that tank". Blue Gills? ...there better not be any Blue Gills. He pauses, thinks quick and apolgizes that he doesn't remember the specific species for each of his four stops today and tells his partner to get my ticket. He reads it and apologizes again, stating that I do indeed only get YP, RES, & FH. Then we talk a little more and I advise him why I do not want one stinkin' BG. We get the YP and RES into the buckets and move 'em to the PU truck.

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Just before I pull away to deliver the new pets, we start talking again as he explains that their FH pond got contaminated with a few BG. He explains that most all his FH customers have BG ponds and don't really care. He can sense that I do. He puts in the dip net, sorts thru 'em and sure enough, he flips a BG onto the ground. I told him that he is going to either sort every fish or take 'em back...NO BG! He fully understands my posture and puts up no argument. I ask him about the purity of the YP and RES. He assures me that there will be no problem there, admitting that the only issues are in the FH pond. We deliver the YP and RES from the boat launch.

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When I get back, Fish-guy continues to be cooperative and apologetic. He says that there is no way he is going to be able to do a 100% sort thru 75# of FH here. He says that, had he known the FH purity concern, they could have done the sorting last night. He is now very concerned for my satisfaction and offers to just take them back and catch me on the next run in my area. I return the concern for his potential loss, but admit that eliminating introduction of BG trumps. He says "no problem at all", adjusts the bill, and knocks off the delivery charge. He assures me that he in no way wants to be responsible for lousing up my pond. I admit that I would have never known. He smiles and says that he could have easily just dumped 'em in, but that's not how he operates. His reputation is at stake.
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So, 300 1" - 2" RES and 300 4" - 5" YP. I understand that the RES are way too small to be eating anything but the Phyto-stuff, but what about the YP? At what point are they gonna be lookin' for minnows? I did note during the bucket dump sequence that I had a bunch of little tadpoles and under-water bugs swimming around. Is this the kind of stuff that the YP will be eating?

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As long as you have had water in the pond, there will be plenty for the fish to eat for a while. BUT, I'm pretty sure I see some bluegill coming out of that bucket......NOT. \:D Good stuff, B'ski. It's gonna be all good. Congrats.


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When will they be back with the adult FH ?
















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 Quote:
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...He says that, had he known the FH purity concern, they could have done the sorting last night.
I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff gets me really P.O'd.

The fact is, he did know that there was a FH purity concern. When he looked at your dang order. The order stated yellow perch, redear sunfish and fathead minnows. That is as clear of a "FH purity concern" as you can get.

Personally I wouldn't trust him in any further matters.


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B'ski here is a link to YP food. Look on the right for juiv. Looks ok to me.

http://www.fishbase.org/TrophicEco/FoodItemsList.cfm?vstockcode=373&genus=Perca&species=flavescens
















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When will they be back with the adult FH ?
I'm kinda with Bruce on the balance of my order. On one hand, he was as honest as the day is long and I actually do trust him. But...on the other hand, I don't think he is familiar with the purist point of view. Bruce is right; read the order. Does it say anything about wanting a couple of BG's? Strangely, tho, I believe that some things happen for a reason. I think that this guy will now truly sort thru 75# of FH, one by one, and give me the most assured level of purity. He really does care; he just had no idea that I wasn't just another "trow em in da drink" customer. I really think that he may now actually be my best bet for FH purity out of all the options. Am I crazy?

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Brettski, trust your instincts. It's been good on everything so far. If you think he'll sort, then he'll probably sort.

It makes you wonder how these guys feel about bullheads. You know...most people have them anyway. :rolleyes:


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Congratulations, Brettski. Today you are a disturbed-with-fish Man.

We need to remember the averted unhappy potential here when we talk about 1) "How did those fish I don't want get in my pond" and 2) adding wild fish versus commercial stockers and the misidentification possibilities.


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Dude is not going to sort through 75 pounds of fathead minnows. If I had to venture a guess, 75 pounds of fathead minnows is easily over 10,000 individual fish. Neither are you to be truthful about it.

But maybe he'll do something about his future fathead rearing ponds.

You've done everything to the obsessive "N"th degree, so there's no need to alter or compromise your direction now.

For the future years, I question the ability to keep a 5+ acre pond pure to the original stocking ideas. Therefore, for me, I wouldn't have been too worried about it.

I also believe there is some compromise when dealing with living things in volume. However, I also understand Bruce's comments and also his point of view being an obsessive freak-like purist.

Congrat's Brettski, you've done good.


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Congratulations Brettski. It'll work out.

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Does he live close enough that the FH could be stocked in partials? 75# is a heck of a lot of FH. They only live about 2 yrs I think. Maybe a lot will die before being eaten, especially with small predator fish. When is the stocking of SMB due?


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When is the stocking of SMB due?
This fall.

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** The fish guy returneth **
Well, I needed to get the FH in and wanted to add to this initial stocking to get some "closer to decent" numbers. I decided to go with the original vendor for everything for a few reasons. The biggie is that he has the YP that I need. WRT the FH, he took them from a different pond and still sorted them before they hit the truck. Right, wrong, or indifferent...I am going with it.
We added another 500 YP, 1000 RES, and cut the FH stocking back to 60#. Net result for this initial spring 2007 stocking: 800 4"-5" YP, 1300 1"-2" RES, and 60# FH.
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Fatheads, Fatheads....rollie-pollie Fatheads

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footnote and credits kudos to D-ski for handling coordination of this project; I was on the road working and sipping (virgin) margueritas with another PB brethren

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Did you see that 37th one from the left?? I think it's a golden shiner. ;\)


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cheers from el dorado brettski. i fully expect quarterly reports with pictures bragging on the growth rate of yer YP and RES.

lets, see....about 3 years from now, you can brag about the GSF you'll have too \:D


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BC as you no doubt know shiners won't hurt Brettski's stocking plan nearly as much as a few BG.


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Fishie - fishie - fishie - fishie - little bitty fishie. \:\) to the tune you know.
















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footnote and credits kudos to D-ski for handling coordination of this project; I was on the road working and sipping (virgin) margueritas with another PB brethren
You oughtta give that gal something for her trouble, maybe a nice hat. ;\)


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I don't see D-Ski sporting the Jaegerwald Farms hat.

Great going, Brettski.

Have you tried any pellet feeding yet to see your pets from the first stocking?


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dont encourage him sunil, he might actually like it, begin to like fishing, and then actually begin to like eating his fish.

BTW, yer little question thrown at me after my first stocking changed my life. I had an awesome feeding this afternoon...continued gratis.


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Sunil quickly finds the anomoly in the B-ski Child Highlights fun-pic:
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I don't see D-Ski sporting the Jaegerwald Farms hat.
a) The J-Farms hat arrived shortly thereafter via Ski-HL 2 day select.
b) D-ski does, indeed, like to wear straw hats for sun shade, but those thick, furry forearms are unfamiliar to me. I'll leave the natural selection explanation to our resident caveman expert, Dr. Condarwin.
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Have you tried any pellet feeding yet to see your pets from the first stocking?
No, I haven't. I kinda hoped I didn't need to go to that level; hinders the the low/no maint. goal. At one point during our numerous telecons, the gal in the office at the fish vendor mentioned that the YP were on pellets (or some type of surface feed), but I wonder how accurate that statement is...? Can they be surface fed when they are 4" - 5", in their second year?

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Yes they can be. YP eat pellets well and most hatcheries keep them on pellets to grow out.
















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As ewest had indicated before when he mentioned letting the fun begin, the hand-throwing of pellets soon becomes an addictive act with the power to derail other important project work.

D.I.E.D. is still drooling and dazed by it as referenced in his posts. I, however, can take no credit for it. I'm a novice feeder at best.

But if the fish supplier says their fish are feed trained, I'd give it a go.

But don't think that you have to feed on a regular basis. You've done real good with the forage fish you've provided. See the feeding as just another fun thing that will benefit you and your fish.


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PS, Brettski, I'm going to give it until early '08 before I start riding you to stock a limited run of walleye and HSB.

At that time, Burger, I may consult with you first on how to create a "wonder-twin power activate" type of effect on Brettski.

I tried to do this with Mudcat Joe, but all he would say is "form of a big bullhead." We didn't get anywhere.


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