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#141186 - 12/11/08 04:02 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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Good stuff.

What are the benefits of stocking RES instead of all BG...besides helping keep the deer population down?
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#141248 - 12/12/08 08:58 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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Benefits of RES:

1) Redears eat snails, which are necessary hosts for several fish parasites (think grubs & spots). Stock RES = fewer snails = fewer parasites.

2) Redears get bigger than BG - they are the biggest of all the Lepomids.

3) They provide an additional "insurance" forage source for bass.

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4. RES are not as prolific as BG. Thus don't expect an awful lot of young redears to provide lots of bass food.

5. RES are definately not as easy to catch as BG. RES are typically not surface feeders thus topwater action is nill compared to BG. RES typically are easier to catch using live bait compared to artificials. Whereas BG will readily bite live bait and artificials equally well. Providing the artificials are presented with some level of skill.

6. RES do not readily accept fish pellets, thus overall, one cannot raise as many RES as BG in a pond.

7. RES do provide a good "bonus" in a mixed fishery.


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#141275 - 12/12/08 12:24 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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My average depth I was planning was 8 feet, with the deepest basin being probably 12 feet. Would this be deep enough to support RES?
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#141288 - 12/12/08 02:11 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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My guess would be yes. If you ever aerate, don't supercool in the Winter (depth is irrelevant to that).
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#141392 - 12/13/08 11:11 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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Ok, some before pictures. They're not much to look at but you can see just how much brush and trees there is to get rid of before we dig. Good news is we could possibly be breaking ground as early as this weekend, though next weekend looks like the better possibility.














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#141426 - 12/13/08 06:33 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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Its kind of hard to tell in these pictures, but it looks like you have some osage orange in there. That will make some great, long lasting brush piles in your pond. If you have any straight ones make some dock poles out of it. It will last longer than about anything else.
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#141552 - 12/15/08 08:30 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Midwest Dave]
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Its kind of hard to tell in these pictures, but it looks like you have some osage orange in there. That will make some great, long lasting brush piles in your pond. If you have any straight ones make some dock poles out of it. It will last longer than about anything else.


Which ones are the osage orange?
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#141558 - 12/15/08 09:12 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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I wouldn't be able to say for sure, but agree some of the trees certainly look twisted enough to be Osage Orange/Hedgeapple/Bois D'Arc. They would be the trees (if any) producing the wrinkled, light green fruit sized anywhere from tennis balls to grapefruits.
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#141563 - 12/15/08 09:29 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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There isn't any fruit on any of the trees right now since it's so cold. Can you tell by the bark? In the fourth picture down, that tree closest to the photographer, is that an osage orange? If so, those trees are all over the place there. A lot of trees will be just inside the water line and I was going to either leave them slightly submerged in the water or cut them off, but keep the stumps in place.
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#141575 - 12/15/08 11:08 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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I forgot to mention that Osage Orange have beau coup thorns on the branches low enough for animals to browse. And, up here at least, some of the hedgeapples stay on some of the trees long into the Winter. I used to think the thorns were the only danger until I was hit on the head by a frozen grapefruit-sized hedgeapple once.
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#141582 - 12/15/08 11:28 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Then I don't think they're osage orange trees because I haven't seen any of fruit on any of the trees in the area.
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#141634 - 12/15/08 08:16 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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The ones on my property don't always seem to have hedge apples on them. Some do, some don't...maybe male/female? They all do have a few things in common. The branches are all tough as nails. Even the dead ones. They have thorns that burn like an SOB when you get poked, and if you peal some bark back, the underbark is typically yellow/orange as well as the roots.

The tree in the middle of the first pic has some "hedgeish" qualities when I look at it. As well as the tangled ones in pic # 6.


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#141647 - 12/15/08 09:39 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Midwest Dave]
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The branches are all tough as nails. Even the dead ones.

You're darn tootin'.

We cut about 65 Hedge trees for fence posts in '86 & '87, right after we bought our place. The last time any of them had been cut (with an axe, yet!), based on ring count, was 95 years prior.

I am still pulling old old fence posts out of the ground in the process of removing fence we have since replaced. The oldest, still solid and making pretty decent firewood, were cut with an axe. Well over 100 years ago, if I am figuring right.

Lusk says Bois D'Arc is the wood that "lasts for 75 years, then turns into a rock."
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#141662 - 12/15/08 11:09 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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All true! I have some old telephone poles I got from IL Power for doc posts, but I'm going to scour my ground for some straight hedge and put in poles that are going to outlast me! My buddies dad turned a bowl out of hedge on his lathe. It was bright yellow when he did it, now its dark orange and has irridecent hughes to it when you look at it in the light.
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#141694 - 12/16/08 10:10 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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I'm planning on building 2 floating docks (may decide to make them permanent in time, but we'll see) using plastic drums. One of the docks will simply be 3' x 8' while the other will jut out 8' to an 8' x 8' square. At least that's the plan. How many plastic drums (55 gallons) would I need to support each dock? Two on the larger and one on the smaller?
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#141705 - 12/16/08 11:39 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Midwest Dave]
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I used to make custom knives. On a couple of them, I used "bodark" for the handles. A grinder with a carborundum stone won't impress it. I had to use a rasp. Problem is that they sometimes crack or split 10 to 20 years later. The grain is so tight that you have to soak them in oils for weeks to get them to take any of it. It is beautiful wood.
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#141742 - 12/16/08 04:48 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Midwest Dave]
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That's pretty good news if they are hedge then, because I'm keeping a lot of them that are just right on the shoreline. So even when the water does eventually kill them they'll be there forever. And I plan on using a lot of what we pull as natural structure so their durability is reassuring.
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#141794 - 12/17/08 08:40 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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Got my first magazine yesterday. \:\)
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#155133 - 03/25/09 02:03 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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How about an update? :-D We're ready to dig. Officially this time. :- We've almost completely cleared all trees and brush in the dig site and we're ready for a bulldozer to come in and rip out the stumps and start the dig. Here's some progress pictures:









One question I was curious about was what aquatic and non aquatic plants should I be looking to plant when we get the dig completed and it begins filling?
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#155209 - 03/26/09 05:48 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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The pictures look great, When do you plan on moving the dirt?

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#155563 - 03/28/09 11:52 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: otto]
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The pictures look great, When do you plan on moving the dirt?


As soon as I can get a hold of the guy with the 'dozer. \:\(

Hasn't answered any of my phone calls the past couple days.
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#155626 - 03/28/09 06:30 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: Omaha]
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#157712 - 04/09/09 02:08 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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what about gizzered minnows??

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#157772 - 04/09/09 09:17 PM Re: Acre Pond [Re: happytimes]
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what about gizzered minnows??


I am not aware of such a species... What are you asking about them?
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#158219 - 04/12/09 10:24 AM Re: Acre Pond [Re: CJBS2003]
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Went to see a friend yesterday who built his own acre pond, just finished another (yet to fill), and is working on a third. Pretty incredible 175 acres. In his acre pond near his house he's got walleye and yellow perch. Bass and bluegill (hybrids too) as well, but a lot of frogs so I'm not sure how prevalent they are. Anyway, a beautifully designed pond, all 3 of them, but different than what I'm aiming for. His are 20+ feet deep.

Anyway, he had dirt problems with the first pond, since he had a ton of sand and limestone that he had to contend with. I don't believe I'll have to deal with that, but he did bring up some possible concerns. The elevation of the creek is substantially lower than the pond. I thought this was a good thing...don't want that creek spilling over into the pond, but he said that the pond water level will only reach the level of the creek. Or the level of the clay banks anyway. The banks are very high and I'll have to study them a little further and see just how high the clay goes up the bank and meets the regular dirt. Will this really determine the pond's water level? If so, I assume, when digging, we can spread clay that we dig into on the higher spots that might have the darker, possibly porous, soil.

Just for the heck of it, we tried fishing the creek. Caught four 3-6" carp. Yay. Tossed in a crayfish trap yesterday evening so we'll see if there's anything in there today. Not expecting anything, but I wasn't expecting to catch any fish either.

My 'dozer guy is very tentative when it comes to getting his equipment out in rain so I have yet to get him out there. I keep calling and bugging him though (nicely ) so hopefully the next stage is shortcoming.
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