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So I had got off work a little early and decided to go and cut the grass around the pond, So im weed eating and look up and their is a man and his son fishing on the other side. We have 80 acres and in the middle of out land is a house that sits on 2 acres that isn't ours. From the house you can see my pond but id around 75 or 100 yards off. Theres a fence in between the house and the pond by the way! So I walk up to them and ask them what the F#@k are you doing. They said they were fixing the dish washer for the people that live in the house but since they weren't home they figured they would go fishing while they were waiting for the people to get back. So needless to say im furious by now. I told him that he had figured wrong and to get back across the property line. So they went up there and got in the truck and left. First of all What happened to fixing the dishwasher second who bring their fishing poles to fix it. I hate people that think that they can just fish were ever they want and they know that they don't have any bussiness there. There fence that they crossed is old and broken down and it doesn't mark anything. I own all the way to within 15' of the house. I marked some pine trees with Orange flagging tape before they brought the house and showed them were the lines were. I don't want to have to be a A#@ hole but I think I might end up putting a fence right by there back steps if this kind of thing happens again. I think I might atleast put up some no fishing signs even though I hate to tacky up their view out the back of their house. But it is my land and thats what they get for buying a house in the middle of someone elses land. Sorry yall I just had to vent for a little bit.

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Been there, done that although not wrt fishing. Got to walk up behind a guy hunting on my place once. He worked real hard to ignore me until I got about 6" behind him and announced my presence rather loudly.

I suggest good fence marked with No Trespassing signs. Space iaw state laws. It won't keep 'em all out, but should cut down the incidence a fair amount.


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JSand13,

Don't blame you. I'd be hot too. I've had people fish my ponds but only if they ask permission and on my schedule. Something about helping yourself or mooching off of someone really irks me.

I know a guy that came home to a whole family fishing his pond complete with lawn chairs barbecue grill etc. When he asked them why they were fishing on private property their excuse was "It's not posted." Huh?

Not to make light of your situation, but I do have a funny story. One of my customers had prime deer hunting property of a few hundred acres. One morning he went out to his deer stand and some stranger was sitting in it. He asked him if he has permission. The guy responded very billiegerantly, "Hell yes I have permission and *&^%$#$# leave me alone." "Who gave you permission?" asked the property owner. Why the property owner you *&^%$% who do you think?" said the guy. "That's odd said the property owner. I'm ------- and I sure don't remember giving you permission. If you don't get down from the stand right now I'm going to blow your ... out of it." Needless to say the guy left in a hurry and never came back. \:D



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I really hate to seem like a butt and put a fence up right in their back yard but for all I know they told him that he could go fishing. I hate that this happened because my pond is about 5 miles from my house and now im gonna be riding back and forth all the time checking on things.

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This pond used to belong to my aunt until she passed away last year but she would tell every body that they could come fishing. I would go to the pond sometimes and their would be 10 people fishing in the pond. So as soon as she left me and my brother the property I put gates up and posted signs everywhere exept in these folks back yard. Guess thats next.

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It all comes down to lack of respect for other peoples property, I use to own 110 remote acres that were posted with ask permission stickers with my name and phone.
In the 6 years that I owned it I would catch people there when I was hunting every year, In all that time only 1 person ever asked me for permission to hunt, which I gave him.
Most of the time people would tell me that they have hunted there for years so I guess they felt entitled.
If I found someone fishing my pond without permission, the fish might have some fresh meat to eat. \:\/



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I wish it was where you could just shoot someone if you caught them fishing in your pond. After the first couple you catch you wouldn't have many more problems.

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I think trespassers fall into the same category as litter bugs. I just wish I knew where they lived so that I could do the same thing to their homes that they feel is ok to do to others. Maybe go park on their lawn, or drive across it a few times. Cut some branches off of their tree and start a fire and then leave a pile of garbage on their front porch.

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Dont blame you for being pissed; just trying to figure out why all the rant at the house owners. Do you think they invited them, or was it the house owners that were fishing?

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Good fences make good neighbors ! If you don't keep them off next thing you know they will claim its theirs or they have a right to use it.
















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 Originally Posted By: eddie_walker
I think trespassers fall into the same category as litter bugs. I just wish I knew where they lived so that I could do the same thing to their homes that they feel is ok to do to others. Maybe go park on their lawn, or drive across it a few times. Cut some branches off of their tree and start a fire and then leave a pile of garbage on their front porch.

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Another funny story:

I had a taxidermy student from Kentucky a few years ago. His dad was in charge of prisoners that picked up litter on the highway. One day he was driving on the local highway and watched someone throw a couple of bags of left over McDonald's stuff out their window. Problem was it's a very rural area in the mountains and everyone knows everyone. He knew who these people were. He pulled over and picked up the garbage and proceeded to head for their house and pulled into their driveway. Came up to the house and rang the doorbell. Then pointed to the McDonald's refuse in the yard he put there and told they left something on the highway back a spell. \:D \:D \:D


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The home owners don't grasp the concept that they live on two acres in the middle of my eighty. They are in there 60's and sometimes they will go for walks all over my land. I didn't sweat it as long as nobody was fishing. I think that they feel since im nice to them that its ok to go for walks on my land. I would rather they stay on there 2 acres and out of my way. They also ask me every time they see me if I have been catching any fish witch just seems odd to me since they aren't aloud to fish. Maybe I read to much into things sometimes. To answer eddies question, I think that they may have told this guy he could fish. For some reason I just have that feeling. I have seen this guys truck at there house several times so I don't think he was just someone that they hired to fix their dishwasher. I feel like he is probabaly a friend or family member and knew exactly where the propety lines are at.

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"Old and in their 60's", jsand cut some of us ancient folks some slack. \:D



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I think anyone who owns hunting property or a fishing pond has been in your shoes... Much like Cecil's story, I have actually mad people tell me to go away I am in their hunting spot when they were hunting on my family's land. It's bad enough when you actually live on the property, but when you don't it's even worse. I find fishing lure wrappers, old worm boxes all around our creek behind out hunting cabin. I've had came cameras and tree stands stolen. People have little respect... Some states have better trespass laws than others. Fortunately Virginia's trespass laws are pretty good, Pennsylvania's trespass laws are a joke!

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CJ your lucky, you can legally shoot someone. ;\)



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The people that brought this house moved here from Ohio. Maybe its ok to do trespass up there.

Im cutting yall some slack. I changed it after I reread it. Im only 25 so 60 does seem acient to me. I don't think I will be around that long.

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Wow Missouri must be catching up with Texas on this! Shoot to kill!? \:o

Acknowledging that they’re reacting to the recent wave of cattle rustlings, 17 House members introduced the Missouri Right to Protection Act in February, which would allow property owners to shoot to kill anyone threatening them or their property. Current law allows such a response only inside the home or an automobile but not out of doors — where the cattle and the thieves are.


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Thats what I thought when I was 25, you'll be there before you know it, enjoy the ride.



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 Originally Posted By: adirondack pond
Thats what I thought when I was 25, you'll be there before you know it, enjoy the ride.


That's for sure! I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how I got to 51 so fast!

Having just come back from Florida I'm convinced we can all reach our 80's if we don't smoke, eat right, and exercise. I met several people in my dad and mom's condo community that were in their 80's that didn't look a day over 65! They all didn't smoke, kept their weight down and walked or golfed very day! My parents work out three times a week and walk almost every day about 2 miles!


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I had edited my earlier post, but this thread has taken off so I will add it here:

OK, I read a later post that said maybe the house owners said they could fish. You may have to put up a sign on that old fince that says, "There's a new sheriff in town."

Eddie, I couldn't agree more about the littering. Every time I go to my pond area, there is paper cups, candy, chip wrappers, etc. Country kids walking from the bus stop home. Cant wait to throw it in their trash can. I am trying to get time to put up an electric fence around the pond.


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 Originally Posted By: adirondack pond
CJ your lucky, you can legally shoot someone. ;\)


I wish, they hold law enforcement to an even higher degree of scrutiny... If I actually shot a trespasser on my property Internal Affairs would probably have a field day. Only ever pulled my gun on a person once when off-duty and that was because a trespassing turkey hunter thought I was archery hunting and didn't have a gun with me. When he pointed his shotgun at me, he quickly found his arm twisted and a .40 pointed between his eyes. Haven't seen him since...

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jsand, this has been an on-going issue here as well. it was much worse when we first moved here over 12 yrs ago.

the feeling you get when someone has been on your property and left trash only gets more bitter as i age. yesterday i found a coors can on my driveway out by the pond. seems like such a little thing, but i am still PISSED.....just what eddie says, makes me want to go park on that a$$holes front lawn, drink some beers, chuck the cans in front of his house, thanks for the visit......

as far as i'm concerned its all about respect, and i have increasingly less patience w/ those who have none.


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This is one of the reasons I don't fish public waters much anymore. Sadly it seems many anglers are the worst offenders.


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Well when you find trash around your pond you pretty much know someone has been fishing. What you don't know is what they may have caught and took with them. When your management program just doesn't seem like its going no where even if you are doing all the things right you wonder how many people have been slipping and going fishing.

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One major deterent for trespassers is to hang a couple of five gallon buckets or coffee cans in some trees where they are visible, and put a mess of bullet holes through them.

Keeping scumbags off your land is an ongoing effort. You can never rest on this. Once you run off a person or group of person, a new group always comes along.

It sounds like you need to go over the rules with these homeowners, in person. I would also have them call you if they ever see anyone on the land.


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What it is going to come down to Jsand is that sooner or later you are going to have to put up a fence and no trespassing signs. We had the same problem that everyone else is describing here. On two occasions went we got to our property we found people fishing on our pond. One group even brought their own boat and were out on our pond fishing in their boat. We would always find beer cans and bottles, fishing line all over (it looked like one person stripped their reel and just threw it on the ground).

For us the last straw was when we found a truck hidden on our property. Turned out the truck was owned by a boy friend of a neighbors wife (yep, you read that correctly) the guy was wanted in two counties and by the California Highway Patrol. That was it for us. We fenced our only open property line and posted no trespassing signs all over the place. California has fairly good rules in regards to trespassing if it's fenced and posted then you can call the sheriff and have them arrested.

As far as your neighbors go, if they are friendly then I'd cut them some slack and let them walk on the property. A good neighbor can be a real asset. Just talk with them and let them know that you don't want anyone else on your property without your permission.




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I feel your pain JS, age is only a number, if you are on my land without permission, you are going to raise my hackles and suffer my wrath. I have 130 rural acres I live on, hunt and fish on, and I pay the mortgage and taxes on myself. I also have a neighbor who has an 1/8th acre lot with a house on it and he used to see fit to let his dog crap in my yard, I don't like dog crap or my neighbor, for obvious reasons. I have the firearms and heavy equipment here to make short work of disposing of said dog and said neighbor, neither one is popular with current laws, but I have made it quite clear to him I don't like him and won't tolerate him or his pets on my land.

I have been here 13 years and haven't had trouble with hunters since the 3rd or 4th year, but we hunt hard and heavy and doing so we maintain a presence during the season. I patrolled the woods the entire first season, didn't get a deer I was so busy removing "we've always hunted here" types. One fellow said he knew the land had been purchased but didn't know who the new owner was??? Never bothered to knock on my door and ask??? I heard one local man talking about me and my posted property at the hardware one day, not knowing who I was as I laid my items onthe counter, he told the store owner "that guy is an A-hole about kicking people off his land," I smiled as the store owner glanced at me, knowing full well who I was, I paid for my stuff and left. I'm happy that people don't want to meet me on my property, I am not the government and my land is not a park. That is among the problems with the country these days, people want everything for nothing, gimme gimme gimme, enough of my rant, I'm off to cut firewood so I can stay warm this winter, I am sure I earn too much money to get free heating assitance from the gov'ment.

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Having hunters on your land JoeG is an entirely diffent issue to me. The though of someone coming onto my property and discharging a firearm would not go over well with me either.


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We reached out to the local game warden and signed the minimal paperwork to give him unfettered access to our property and arrest trespassers. I am sure that we are just another on the long list, but having that marked vehicle parked at my drive on rare ocassion is better than nothing.

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One of my favorite property signs.

No Trespassing. Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.


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I think I would put up a couple of signs saying "No fishing. Yes, this means you dammit".


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Since I posted these signs around our property we have had neither trespassers nor poachers. In fact no one has even asked to fish or hunt since I put them up.


It doesn’t hurt that we live here and I am outside wearing my Wiley Xs looking big and mean.



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That look could have provided security at Altamont.


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Mabye it did provide security at Altamont. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.


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 Originally Posted By: Dwight
Since I posted these signs around our property we have had neither trespassers nor poachers. In fact no one has even asked to fish or hunt since I put them up.


It doesn’t hurt that we live here and I am outside wearing my Wiley Xs looking big and mean.



How big are you Dwight? You're not like Sylvester Stalone, big and bad in pictures but short little dude in person?


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He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.


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 Originally Posted By: the stick
He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.


The real deal! \:o \:o \:o

I'm not messin' with Dwight!


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When I bought my place, the old man had put in an odd gate made of 1" steel cable. Said he was tired of of dumpers pushing on the gate until the welds busted loose so they could dump. We made it a point to have a big party one weekend with my buddies that own some pretty heavy artillery. Made it a weekend of target and skeet shooting, and blowing up stuff with Tannerite. I have not seen a trace of a trespasser now that the locals think I am crazy .

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I do think that tommorow sometime i will go and have a talk with the neighbors. I was going to today but they had company over and didn't figure I would bother them. I did put up no fishing signs all along the old fencr between the house and the pond and took flagging tape and orange spray paint and made sure they can see where the property line is. Don't think they will have any problems finding it now!

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I forgot, purple paint means no trespassing in a lot of states.

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 Originally Posted By: the stick
He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.

Dang. Those were my optimum size & weight back when I was a defensive end.

Of course, I never got within a hundred pounds of it in those days, but I'm a lot closer now.


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I have only ever been within two inches and two pounds of that size, but a whole lot better looking than that picture....alright I lied, I have weighed 260 before, are ya happy now???

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He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.

Is this with or without using the Condello photo technique?
Then again, does it matter....

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Wow Missouri must be catching up with Texas on this! Shoot to kill!? \:o

Acknowledging that they’re reacting to the recent wave of cattle rustlings, 17 House members introduced the Missouri Right to Protection Act in February, which would allow property owners to shoot to kill anyone threatening them or their property. Current law allows such a response only inside the home or an automobile but not out of doors — where the cattle and the thieves are.


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I know you probably made the Texas reference in jest, but I just wanted to clarify that in Texas, you cannot shoot to kill just because someone is threatening you on your property. Texas did, however, expand the Castle Doctrine (no duty to retreat) to places like vehicles and workplace.


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I have a ton of problems with trespassing and littering by my place. Just this past winter someone dropped off a really nice 18'tri-hull loaded with shingles. Luckily most of these people are dumb, this guy left his registration numbers on the boat. Several other people in the past left bank statements, pay stubs, mail in their dump pilesetc. A guy this past fall dumped a freezer, someone I know saw him doing it. A buddy and myself threw it in my truck, backed in his driveway and returned it. I've tried to be nice in kicking of trespassers, he only way you get any respect is to hammer them every time.

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First, I'd never go near a pond with a wanted poster that had a picture like this -- even if I knew he was a meek and mild Minnesotan.



Second, I had two guys on 4-wheelers on my dam last fall. They own five acres adjacent to me, and they come out from Baltimore to drink and raise hell on weekends. It was between dusk and dark. I shouted at them to get off my property. They gave me the famous digit of defiance. It was turkey season. My loaded 12-gauge was just inside basement door.

Even at my advanced age, I had never before seen the night-time flash that comes out of the end of a shotgun. Geeze, a 12-gauge blast it is big, bright, and impressive against the night-time sky.

I still hear these guys on their neighboring property, but they haven't been back.


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He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.


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Hmmm... Not the kinda guy I want to have to try to put hand cuffs on! HAHA

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Dwight's photos have inspired me to state the following:

One from the 80's holding a nice bass on the water he used as his signature - I gotta have more cowbell, baby! [I hope someone gets this]

[I can't take credit for the following analogy] : I would love to have a resident Sasquatch roaming the property to give any potential trespassers a little shock. You look big, bad, and liable to rip an arm off.

Both of these observations with the deepest respect, Dwight!


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"...I got a fever...and the only perscription...is more cowbell."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4royOLtvmQ


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"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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 Originally Posted By: Jeff Walker
One of my favorite property signs.

No Trespassing. Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.


All - can one state this on a sign or would it be interpreted by the authorities as...I don't know, a little over the top?

I was considering adding to my no tres signs "enforced by armed resident" but didn't want my neighbors to think I was a psycho. Certainly don't want the authorities to think I'm dangerous either.

Anyone with any experience here in terms of what one can legally put on a sign would be helpful.


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 Originally Posted By: Sunil
"...I got a fever...and the only perscription...is more cowbell."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4royOLtvmQ


Sunil - you are in tune. Do you see any similarities in those photos? I sure wish someone with some skills could show Dwight laying down some mean cowbell.


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Last I checked America has the 1st Amendment... You can post what ever sign you please. Having your neighbors think you're a little psycho may be a good thing IMO. HAHA

We have an over the top sign at the gate of our hunting property:

"If you're found here today, you'll be found here dead tomorrow"

A couple state troopers came to take a trespass complaint one evening and he asked me where he could get one... I guess the authorities like them too... I know I do!

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I prefer to deliver a real message. In all the threads where we talk about our messages of woe and sadness for trespassers, we always eventually conclude that we are not going to get violent because we simply have too much to lose.

I think the "NO TRESPASSING. YES, THIS MEANS YOU" is effective and clear enough to let people know you are serious.

Now we know a lot of folks tear signs down or pay no mind to it.

That takes us beyond the realm of visual deterents when we deal with those kind of folks.

Create something nice for yourself, your family, and your friends, and then others want in.


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Your legal take is helpful, CJ - considering your profession. I don't mean to suggest guys who put these signs out seem pyscho...sorry if I came across that way - I'm just wondering if there are any limits on making threats on people's lives even if it's on a sign.

I've never caught or had a trespasser. Sounds like another rite of passage Grasshopper will undergo soon enough. I don't know what I'd do...honestly - go ape s%%t or address it calmly or call for the authorities.


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As far as trespassing goes and dealing with it, each state has different laws. The best advice I can give is to learn the laws that relate to trespassing. If you know a police officer in your jurisdiction ask them what their opinion is. Even if you just run into one at a restaurant or donut shop, most are nice enough to answer your questions you may have...

Holding someone at gun point because they are trespassing, will probably get you in more trouble than the trespasser themselves. Dealing with trespassers is a frustrating affair but cooler heads must prevail.

The signs that make light of it are entertaining, but I don't going pulling a gun on a trespasser. Particularly if they are unarmed. Some police agencies are more responsive than others and some states have stronger trespass laws than others. In the end, your life is more important than some idiot fishing in your pond, hunting on your land or dumping trash there. These days there are a lot of nuts out there who will shoot you and not think twice about it. When you go to confront someone, just keep that in mind. Just my 2 cents...

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Yes, wasn't advocating pulling a gun on anyone, but if the trespassers don't know that, might be an effective message. I will check with our regs...I think trespassing is a measley $50 fine. Hardly a deterent. Bummer.

Good points Sunil - thanks!


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Earlier this year I heard 2 4-wheelers in the woods behind my neighbors place and it sounded like they were coming closer. I walked back into the woods and met up with the guy that lives across the street and his dad making their way thru the woods. They got the message when I pointed out to them that they were right on my rifle range, just off to the side of the 300 Yd target butt directly behind the 100 Yd target butt, and I shoot with earplugs AND muffs on. I told them that since this is my property, and I'm the only one here, I don't make a habit of checking the woods to see if anybody is roaming around behind the targets. I told them that I sure would feel bad if someone got shot, but I wouldn't be the one that was hurting. They know some of the things that I shoot, and I'm pretty sure that they got the message.

I haven't had a problem since. I'm anxiously waiting for the new gun to be completed - the bullet will stay supersonic past 2100 Yds on that one..... Wait 'till they hear that one go off!


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Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that either of you was going to bump someone off. There are a lot of folks who read these threads without ever letting us know they are reading.

CJ, your point about not knowing if some nutbag will pull a gun on you while on your land is very important. Guvnor has had folks cooking drugs on his land. They like the water supply.

No matter what, going up and confronting some nutbag has it's own set of risks when you are solo regardless if you look like Dwight at Altamont. Don't get me wrong...I have not been so good at restraining myself from one-on-one discussion when coming upon someone trespassing on my land. It's hard.


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 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
One from the 80's holding a nice bass on the water he used as his signature - I gotta have more cowbell, baby! [I hope someone gets this]


Dwight kinda does look like Will Ferrell...if you squint a lot.


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Laying off a lot of rounds at the property is a pretty strong signal.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
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For anyone interested in looking up the laws related to trespassing or any law for the matter, a good site is http://www.municode.com/Resources/OnlineLibrary.asp Click on the state you live in and then chose the jurisdiction from which you live in...

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What's nice is the property rises in the back approx 35' and it makes a natural backstop for the farthest target. I cleared out a lane in the woods about 20' wide, but the woods is thick on each side of the lane. I've had deer walk out @ 250 Yds as I was shooting at a target set @ 100 Yds. I just wait until they leave and resume what I was doing.

I've found that it's easier being nice, but still getting my point across, after all I can't be home 100% of the time and they ARE neighbors. They saw my side of things, and agreed that they did something stupid. (not to mention tresspassing on 3 different properties before they got to mine!)

When I renovated the pond I did notice that there were about 75 CC's that were missing. They were stocked @ 6"-9" and there aren't any fish in there that could eat them, so I might be sticking up an infrared trail cam high in a tree looking down at the area of the pond that has the feeder just to keep everybody honest.


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 Originally Posted By: davatsa
 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
One from the 80's holding a nice bass on the water he used as his signature - I gotta have more cowbell, baby! [I hope someone gets this]


Dwight kinda does look like Will Ferrell...if you squint a lot.


Yeah, especially his pic he used as his signature. I have to say I have a soft spot in my heart for Blue Oyster Cult...

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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
 Originally Posted By: the stick
He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.


 Originally Posted By: Dwight


Hmmm... Not the kinda guy I want to have to try to put hand cuffs on! HAHA


Ahh a tazer would make him into a pussycat! \:D


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50,000 volts baby! I've ridden the wave and it does hurt... I mean HURT!!!

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 Originally Posted By: esshup
I might be sticking up an infrared trail cam high in a tree looking down at the area of the pond that has the feeder just to keep everybody honest.


That reminds me of Ronald Reagan's quip about dealing with the Russians: "Trust but verify." ;\)


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So far, we haven't had any problems but I am expecting some since our pond is in the middle of a subdivision and we live on the other side of town.

The good news is that we have a very nice and friendly game warden who lives on the same street as our pond and he has our cell phone numbers and we have his. He knows that we have given 3 people permission to fish there whenever they want and nobody but those 3 people are allowed to be there when we aren't there.

He's also a very big dude that carries a very big sidearm! The first time he came down to the pond was shortly after we'd bought it and he was pretty intimidating. Luckily, I had all the papers in my car to show that we'd just bought the property. After that, he invited me up to his house to have a beer and promised to keep an eye on it for us. We also gave him permission to trap beavers and fish. ;\)


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 Originally Posted By: Al Davison
So far, we haven't had any problems but I am expecting some since our pond is in the middle of a subdivision and we live on the other side of town.

The good news is that we have a very nice and friendly game warden who lives on the same street as our pond and he has our cell phone numbers and we have his. He knows that we have given 3 people permission to fish there whenever they want and nobody but those 3 people are allowed to be there when we aren't there.

He's also a very big dude that carries a very big sidearm! The first time he came down to the pond was shortly after we'd bought it and he was pretty intimidating. Luckily, I had all the papers in my car to show that we'd just bought the property. After that, he invited me up to his house to have a beer and promised to keep an eye on it for us. We also gave him permission to trap beavers and fish. ;\)


Al - I was hoping to introduce myself personally to the local Sheriffs and offer them a chance to fish my place from time to time in order to get fast respsonse should someone trespass. I wonder if that would work...sounds like you've got an ideal situation. Good work!


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Good post, Al. Many people shy away from game wardens, but I love having them near us. We lucked out at deer camp--the game warden's property backs up to a portion of the ranch we hunt.

For those who have nothing to hide, encouraging game wardens and LEOs to make themselves at home is a great bonus when trying to maintain security of your hunting/fishing land/water.


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TJ, it'll work... At least it does in Virginia.

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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
50,000 volts baby! I've ridden the wave and it does hurt... I mean HURT!!!


Yeah they make you guys find out what it feels like don't they? My nephew works in a jail and took a class on it. Everybody had to get a doze of it to get a feel for it. Reminds me when they tear gassed us in the military to make us take our masks seriously.

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Thanks guys. I think I'll be taking a few pints of my homemade habanero salsa to the station [wherever that might be - I live in the city] and meet the guys. Hopefully a few of them fish, and will be more than happpy to protect their honey hole.


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How about a sign saying
There are a lot of places to bury trespassers on this property. Enter at your own risk!



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How about a sign saying
There are a lot of places to bury trespassers on this property. Enter at your own risk!


Perfect! I could use some landscaping "berms" to spruce up the place!


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A week after we bought the property with the pond (it had ALWAYS been posted) I had a guy take a swing at me when I asked him to leave. I just stepped back and showed him my best friend and he vacated the area. My friends name?? MR GLOCK. Didnt point it at him or threaten him, just laid my buddy on the hood of the Ranger. It's amazing how rednecks who cant read can understand the situation when its explained by a friend! Have concealed carry permit will travel is my motto.



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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
50,000 volts baby! I've ridden the wave and it does hurt... I mean HURT!!!


My friends dad is the cheif of hasmat and fire at universal city and got his son a tazer...

More then one night was spent tazing the crap out of my friends and I... there is a video...


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 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Thanks guys. I think I'll be taking a few pints of my homemade habanero salsa to the station [wherever that might be - I live in the city] and meet the guys. Hopefully a few of them fish, and will be more than happpy to protect their honey hole.

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The GW invitation to enter and patrol your property is a good idea. We did it. Why not; it's part of his job. Allowing him access to a place where lawbreaking is a higher likelihood is being nothing more than being a good neighbor and citizen. It does not require quid pro quo in the form of open season fishing and/or hunting. Opening that door invites way too many forms of potential problems.

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I've thought about that (the GW). Here's the problem. The GW around our area has a pretty large area to cover and I doubt that he would ever have time to mess with us. Road hunting and poaching seems to be an Olympic sport around me.


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Most people don't realize it, but unless your state has a law which makes it illegal(few have) whether you give permission to a game warden or not, they can legally enter your property at any time. Even if it is posted, fenced or you personally share your dislike of them doing so... It was a 4th Amendment Ruling by the US Supreme Court called the Open Fields Doctrine.

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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
Most people don't realize it, but unless your state has a law which makes it illegal(few have) whether you give permission to a game warden or not, they can legally enter your property at any time. Even if it is posted, fenced or you personally share your dislike of them doing so... It was a 4th Amendment Ruling by the US Supreme Court called the Open Fields Doctrine.

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How old is that case? (Sorry I need to get to the bank before it closes and don't have time to read it) I could be wrong but I have been told several times by others in my profession that a case in PA called Sprinkle vs. Spangler changed all that. It involved an overzealous conservation officer that searched a taxidermist repeatedly at all hours of the day and night and ended up in the supreme court I was told. After that case allegedly CO's need a warrant like every other LEO. Alledgedly according to my sources the CO's want you to think they don't need a warrant however they really do. The idea is if you think they don't need one and let them in they are off the hook.

Maybe Eric can shed some light on this? I'd like to know if I'm getting bad information or not.

OTOH, I get searched from time to time in my taxidermy shop and have no problem with it as long as the LEO is courteous, as I have nothing to hide. From what I've heard they can make life rough for you if you don't cooperate.



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The difference is that the over zealous CO in that case was searching dwellings. There is a distinction in the Open Fields Doctrine. CO or game wardens, what ever you wish to call them can at will search "open fields" meaning pretty much open land of any kind whether it be fields, woods, waters etc... They cannot search buildings or their curtilage without first obtaining a search warrant and that requires probably cause that a crime has or is being committed. See:

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In Georgia, a GW or DNR official is considered a sworn officer and they can come onto any property at any time in the performance of their duties or for investigating the possibility of a crime.

Still, we like Ranger Nick so, he's just welcome any old time he wants to visit for any reason.


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No need to Taze on me. I am pretty mellow.

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CB,

Makes sense to me.


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signage........"Private Proterty. Price of admission; you can't afford it!

Do poachers need a fishing license?


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He is a 75" - 260 pounder. Big enough.


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No fish story, no Condello technic, no hyperbole. Those of you that go to the conference will be able to attest to this.


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This topic has lots of good Ideas and info, looks like this problem is widespread.
When I go up to my pond I target shoot almost every time, maybe a little noise goes a long way ;\)
Haven't seen a trespasser yet, but I'm thinking of putting up a target on the far side of the pond, about 120 yards from my deck, easy shot with the Springfield.



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Well im feeling alot better about things after talking to the folks that live in the house. I started by asking him if I wasn't clear when I said I didn't want anyone fishing in the pond and he say no you were very clear. He ask what happened and I told him the whole story. He apoligized and told me that that guy is from a home appliance repair company and that He was supposed to be there around 4 to fix the dishwasher( I caught him at around one.) Guess he was planning on making a day out of fishing in my pond. The homeowner said that he got home at three and that he waited around till five and the guy never showed up. So he called the company the man worked for and they told him that he had went home sick for the day. Its now saturday and the homeowners dishwasher is still broke. I guess he decided that he may be in some trouble so didn't come back. The homeowner said that the repair man had ask about fishing in the pond a few weeks back and he made it very clear that it wasn't his pond and that I didn't like people fishing in it. The homeowner and his wife said that they understand that I spend a great deal of time and money on my pond and that they would never give anyone permission to go fishing in it. They thanked me for coming by and said that it made him angry that the guy had did that because they don't want any problems between us. He Said that come monday he would be having a talk with the company that the man works for. We stood there and talked for a hour or so and he assured me that this kind of thing wouldn't happen again.

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Burger, in Texas a license is needed only for public waters.


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 Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
Burger, in Texas a license is needed only for public waters.


Same here (Indiana), but if they want to take come cull fish home, then they need to have a license.


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jsand13, that is good news. Always the best to have another few sets of eyes on your place. Buy them a ham for Easter.


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About the neighbor in your instance. I would allow the neighbors to fish but make them understand your rules. I think too many people are absorbed in their own lives that being neighborly is going to the wayside. Of course make sure they realize only they are allowed nobody else. They may even take it upon themselves to police your waters when you aren't there.

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Sometimes it is good to allow neighbors to hunt/fish your property... Those permission often gets abused though!

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If it were me, I'd allow the old couple to fish in exchange for watching my property for me. I'd make it clear that this only applies to them, not their friends, family, or dishwasher repairmen. But that's just me. The old flies and honey thing.


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No I learned my lesson about letting anyone fish a long time ago. I will be nice to them and help them out when I can but the pond is my playground and I keep perfect records of everything that goes in and comes out. If you start letting people fish then you lose that ability.

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It's funny how private ponds and woodlands are seen by some as public use. The larger the land holding, the more common it is for people to help themselves. In my province there is one-hundred millon acres of crown public land, for all to use, hunt, fish, whatever. That is 70% of all land in Alberta. It is common place during hunting season to ask farmers/ranchers for access to private lands to hunt, which is fine and most times access is given freely. Having said that, there is still some that abuse the system. It makes me want to visit their place, maybe tie up my horses in their yard, do a little quading, might have to use their fridge, hopefully they have a swimming pool.

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jsand13, it sounds like you might have the perfect situation there: an old couple living right by your land that wants to walk on it, but not fish. If I were you I'd tell them that they (and only them -- no friends, family, etc.) can take walks on the land in exchange for watching your land and pond and calling you if they see any trespassers. Let them walk your land, send them some cookies at Christmas, and you'll have an extra set of eyes watching out for your land.

Regarding the signs: There's a large area of land near my house with no fence, but the owner has put up professionally made signs up every 50 yards or so around the perimeter that say "Private property. No trespassing. Hunting leases available for $1000 per day. Trespassers hunting without a lease will be sued for the full amount due."

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jsand13, it sounds like you might have the perfect situation there: an old couple living right by your land that wants to walk on it, but not fish. If I were you I'd tell them that they (and only them -- no friends, family, etc.) can take walks on the land in exchange for watching your land and pond and calling you if they see any trespassers. Let them walk your land, send them some cookies at Christmas, and you'll have an extra set of eyes watching out for your land.

Regarding the signs: There's a large area of land near my house with no fence, but the owner has put up professionally made signs up every 50 yards or so around the perimeter that say "Private property. No trespassing. Hunting leases available for $1000 per day. Trespassers hunting without a lease will be sued for the full amount due."



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it's your place and your choice and i fully understand it's hard to let someone intrude on something you've invested so much time and effort and capital into creating - but Ack really makes a lot of sense to me. knowing your hard work can create a nice place for your older neighbors to stroll will probably feel pretty good - and you DO get an extra few folks who watch the place. my thought is if you make them feel a part of your plan and process by allowing them to walk around, they will feel strongly about preserving it. i know you didn't ask me...but there's my two cents. good luck.


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jsand is not wrong in his stance. When you allow others the usage of your property, there are more risks than just those people disobeying.

Other would-be trespassers see these people (those with permission) and 'convince' themselves that they can be there also.

I believe the extra set of eyes is worth the risk though. When you are absentee, you need all the help you can get.


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I have the same problem. My 86ac surrounds on three sides a .89ac lot with an old frame house and some losers...I have problems with them shooting all the time and ricocheting over my house...The other day they let loose with a full mag from an AK....I had to kick them off my place a couple times. My house is 250yards away, so a hundred rounds of 9mm gets kinda old. Other than the AK it has been quiet lately...I guess the price of ammo is hurting them.. The guy is in his 50s and never worked, his daddy owns the house and sends money. The dad wont sell and has him out there so he wont get in trouble(lucky me).

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I have the same problem. My 86ac surrounds on three sides a .89ac lot with an old frame house and some losers...I have problems with them shooting all the time and ricocheting over my house...The other day they let loose with a full mag from an AK....I had to kick them off my place a couple times. My house is 250yards away, so a hundred rounds of 9mm gets kinda old. Other than the AK it has been quite lately...I guess the price of ammo is hurting them.. The guy is in his 50s and never worked, his daddy owns the house and sends money. The dad wont sell and has him out there so he wont get in trouble(lucky me).


That's a lot different scenario you just described. You got dealt a very poor neighbor hand. Jeesh - I don't blame you for letting one loose their way.


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It sucks..I've got more than enough firepower to make their life miserable. All my other neighbors(3) live on 50 to a 100ac and are great..I also back up to a non-occupied 1,000 ranch.


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That is a bummer deal Sgt - our community chain is only as strong as the weakest link kinda thing...it takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch, yada yada.

Maybe you should start a "controlled burn" and allow it to stray the course for, say .89 acres, and call it a day?


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