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#145895 - 01/21/09 10:27 PM digging out and old farm pond
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I am in the process of digging out and old farm pond, it had 8-10 ft of mud in it before we got to somewhat solid clay in about half of the pond. About half of the pond will now be between 13-20 ft deep and the rest will be graded out at a 3-1 slope rate except for the deep end that has a solid clay wall of about ten feet before it starts to slope. The pond is 225ft by 210ft. I now think that we are either close to the water table or it is spring fed, in the deep half of the pond the water is rising about 1-2 inches per day without a drop of rain in several weeks. The current deep part of the pond is probably going to stay with deep dozer ruts that are now under water, I think this would be beneficial to habit for the fish. I am planning to put in two five foot tall PVC Pipe trees and I am not sure at what depth to place them. We are planning on put in a fixed structure dock in on the deep end (not sure wood or pipe base). We will be placing rocks or gravel wear the water comes in the pond. I will be running an aerator that will work in about 6-9ft of water with two different diffusers. How soon after the pond fills should I start adding fish? I want to stock it with catfish and bass (will eat more catfish) and would like crappie but I have read that my pond will be too small. Any suggestion would be great.

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#145897 - 01/22/09 01:03 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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Welcome to the Forum BigeaterOSU. Cowboy or Sooner? I went to that former internment camp about 40 miles south of ya in Okmulgee!

The rock will always be a good idea- use 6-15" limestone to help keep the PH up. Pea gravel in 3-6' depths will help with spawns, again use crushed limestone if available.

I would suggest putting your aeration in the deepest part to make your entire water column usable, otherwise your dozer ruts will be of no use except in winter. Use the membrane diffusers- FAR less maintenance! You may want to add a submerged island and a shelf or three also. There are tons of threads on structure here. Large rootballs are great for the catfish if you have any.

You can add Fathead minnows with a foot or so of water, bluegill and catfish early this spring, and Bass this fall. Others are far better than me with stocking rates.

Crappie are do-able if you're willing to intensly manage the pond but they usually turns a fun pond into real work.

If you have any pictures, I'm sure you'll get lots more accurate suggestions. Besides we REALLY like pics!

We all hope you stick around and keep us informed of your progress! Hopefully you can make it to Branson for the Third Annual Pond Boss Conference at Bass Pro's Big Cedar Lodge on Sept. 18 & 19.

Again, welcome!

PS don't let JHAP or DIED scare you into adding those nasty little green sunfish!


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#145904 - 01/22/09 05:36 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Rainman]
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Glad to have you. It sounds like you did a lot of homework already.Look at the pictures that are here and send us some.

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#145907 - 01/22/09 05:54 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: otto]
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After it gets about 2/3 full I think you can start with some forage fish. However, you need to check your water quality, alkilinity and Ph, prior to stocking.

How big is it and what are your goals?
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#145933 - 01/22/09 09:09 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Welcome to Pond Boss Big, we're glad you found us.

And please ignore Rainman's negative comments regarding the magnificent Green Sunfish, I find this type of trash talk unamusing, unacceptable, unaccommodating, unalluring, unaccredited, unacknowledged, unacademic, unannotated, unadajudicated, and unbecomingly unabsorbent.
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#145937 - 01/22/09 09:31 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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unstand & untalk
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#145945 - 01/22/09 09:54 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Brettski]
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big, please ingore JHAP. he went to the "Jackie Childs School of Public Speeking, & Journalism".......
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#145948 - 01/22/09 10:01 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: rmedgar]
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Rmedger, although I find your comments lewd, lascivious, salacious, and outrageous at least you didn't accuse me of attending the Jackie Chan School of Public Speaking & Journalism, so I guess it could have been worse.
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#145950 - 01/22/09 10:06 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: rmedgar]
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Welcome BigeaterOSU,we're glad you found us.Stock big and fish with dynamyte,its a culture thingy. And watch out for bad advice from some of the clowns around here.Now back to your regularly scheduled programming \:D
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#145960 - 01/22/09 12:51 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Rainman]
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How do I post pics???

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#145965 - 01/22/09 01:13 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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See this archive thread on posting photos.
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#146019 - 01/22/09 09:28 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Answers-
1. Oklahoma State Cowboy
2. I am trying to make all of my underwater structure out of materials that will not decompose underwater. Looking at placing 10-20lbs rocks around the 12” Culvert exit pipe, the step walls in the deep end and around the secondary spillway. Then use a mixture of large rocks and pea gravel where the water comes in.
3. What type of water test kit do I need to get and where?
4. The pond will probably be between 1 to 1.75 acres, and my goal is to have a good fishing pond that we can harvest the occasional fish dinner (probably catfish).
5. “Hedley” I would doc you a days pay for napping on the job.
6. I will post pics ASAP.

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#146102 - 01/23/09 03:10 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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Glad to see you fell in to line with the crew.

Do not join any kind of sun fish club, they are only trying to get your money.

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#146178 - 01/24/09 08:39 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: otto]
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Although Mr. Otto that is true of BISA, just for the record here at the GSA we don't require ANY membership dues. We are 100% supported via extortion, misappropriation, kidnap for ransom, black mail and other time honored fund raising activities.


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#146189 - 01/24/09 09:09 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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For instance, GSA is quite happy with your first born in lieu of cash.
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#146196 - 01/24/09 09:25 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Well yes, that is right Theo. However, the Bylaws have recently changed. At age 12 you either have to take them back or pay heavy maintenance fees.
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#146209 - 01/24/09 10:21 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Darn, there goes my plan to get JHAP off my back AND pay for 4 years of college!
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#146216 - 01/24/09 10:39 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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 Originally Posted By: Theo Gallus
Darn, there goes my plan to get JHAP off my back....


First off that'll never happen.

Secondly, that'll never happen.

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#149888 - 02/19/09 11:10 AM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: jeffhasapond]
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What is the best type of grass to plant on the fresh soil around the pond.

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#149952 - 02/19/09 06:15 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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Usually, annual rye, wheat or oats can be planted as they grow fast and will hold the soil in place and prevent erosion. They can often be mixed with perennial species that are slower growing but will fill in a last for years with proper care...
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#149979 - 02/19/09 07:56 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: CJBS2003]
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Your local NRCS/Soil & Water office may have a good recommendation of grass mix for your local climate/soil.
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#154973 - 03/24/09 05:19 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: Theo Gallus]
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#154974 - 03/24/09 05:22 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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#155027 - 03/24/09 09:51 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: bigeaterosu]
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Looks great, lots of good structure...
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#155050 - 03/24/09 11:34 PM Re: digging out and old farm pond [Re: CJBS2003]
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Wow...what a great chronology of photos...really shows the project from concept to fulfillment! Looks like it's setting up to be one sweet fishery - congrats!
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